A little sad...History lesson

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A little sad...History lesson

Post by Beany_bot » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:57 am

Was chatting to a guy yesterday who really knows his stuff and he was telling not to expect the kind of finds that you guys down south get. He said that right from Celtic times right up the the mid 1700's Scotland has always had a massive massive shortage of coinage. Apparently we didn't have the silver or gold mines that you guys had. Generally speaking the way to trade was bartering, right up untill "recent" times. Some French and Dutch coins were smuggled back to try and use and any Scottish coins that made their way to England were kept because of their rarity and quality.

A little history for you there :)



Alas, fairly sad news as I was hopeing that first hammie was just around the corner :( nevermind though, there is still plenty to find!


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Post by Shufly » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:04 am

Dont forget Beany-bot, theres another reason why coins are scarce up yopur neck of the woods, :-w I knew a Scot once who dropped a Penny,...... it hit him on the back of the head on the way down... =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

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Re: A little sad...History lesson

Post by salaud » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:09 am

I am in the same boat here in the isle of man, with bartering and some tokens haveing being the main way of doing business, so dont reckon my first hammie is gonna happen any time soon either :(
On a positive note though it does mean that any manx coinage from the mid 1700`s onwards is worth considerably more than its English equivalent :)) :))

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Re: A little sad...History lesson

Post by Beany_bot » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:39 am

salaud wrote:I am in the same boat here in the isle of man, with bartering and some tokens haveing being the main way of doing business, so dont reckon my first hammie is gonna happen any time soon either :(
On a positive note though it does mean that any manx coinage from the mid 1700`s onwards is worth considerably more than its English equivalent :)) :))
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Re: A little sad...History lesson

Post by Bilko » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:40 am

there were massive Roman armies that pushed into Scotland (I think)
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Post by Beany_bot » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:11 am

Bilko wrote:there were massive Roman armies that pushed into Scotland (I think)
Not really mate, well not very far north at all, also soldiers didn't really have much coinage, it's the towns and things you find that. Roman in Scotland is very rare. There was some small "forts" but these have been totally dug and nothing left now.
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Post by fabio961 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:18 am

plus...the Scots battered the living daylights out of any Roman army that tried to take them on..amusingly! Anything taken from that army by the Scots would be around somewhere surely though, or was it all melted down?

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Re: A little sad...History lesson

Post by morning wood » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:19 am

Beany_bot wrote: Generally speaking the way to trade was bartering, right up untill "recent" times.
At first I thought you had written "battering" :)) Which was probably true also :))

I see that there is a chap on here on the Shetlands. I know they've plenty of history but I wonder how he gets on?

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Post by Bilko » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:25 am

Beany_bot wrote:
Bilko wrote:there were massive Roman armies that pushed into Scotland (I think)
Not really mate, well not very far north at all, also soldiers didn't really have much coinage, it's the towns and things you find that. Roman in Scotland is very rare. There was some small "forts" but these have been totally dug and nothing left now.
I watched a programme where a huge Roman army (80,000 men?) came to put down insurrections in Scotland.They built amazing camps which can still be seen on Google Earth
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Post by Beany_bot » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:35 am

fabio961 wrote:plus...the Scots battered the living daylights out of any Roman army that tried to take them on..amusingly! Anything taken from that army by the Scots would be around somewhere surely though, or was it all melted down?
I would have thought that with the lack of metal in scotlad they would have been melted down. Just a guess thou.
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Post by Heavymetaldetector » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:16 pm

I read a book a while back on illegal whiskey distilleries in the 1700s and 1800s, which would be hidden out in the middle of nowhere. You never know, somebody might have buried a few bottles up in the hills and never came back to claim them!!

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Post by loud ed » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:40 pm

I realy feel for you poor Scottish detectorists there must be areal shortage of lost coins for you to find



well its only the visitors to your lovely country that would lose them


and that wall is a great idea it stops any lose change rolling into england
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Post by fabio961 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:38 pm

this is quite an interesting site: http://www.romanscotland.org.uk/

few hoards found in bonny Scotland..

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Re: A little sad...History lesson

Post by liam09 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:44 pm

Theres stuff to be found everywhere its just needs the patietce and been at the right place at the right time and you will find that hammered.

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Post by GREGGOWREX » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:44 pm

Beany m8....Look here my old son ..hehe .......you had the vikings the romans the french the irish and god knows how many INVADING your shores...your going to find something lolol :))
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Post by Beany_bot » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:09 pm

greggowrex wrote:Beany m8....Look here my old son ..hehe .......you had the vikings the romans the french the irish and god knows how many INVADING your shores...your going to find something lolol :))
True true, but not many managed to hang about for any length of time as we beat the crap out of the lot of them :)
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Post by rustynail » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:07 pm

Bilko wrote:there were massive Roman armies that pushed into Scotland (I think)
Absolutely correct. Most people know about Hadrian's wall, but few people know about the Antonine Wall which was built between Bo'ness of the Firth of Forth across to a place on the River Clyde northwest of Glasgow. It was 37 miles long and built between 140 and 142 AD. Apparently, one single Scot lifted his kilt and the Romans fled for their lives. =)) =)) =)) =)) Not really, that last bit is just me joshing. :)
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Post by STIG » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:33 pm

Just get permission to go Tecting under the Mattresses up there in the Highlands, you'll sharp find some of them Rarer than Rare coins ya yearning for ... lol .. ;)
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Post by Cynergy » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:47 am

There is Roman baths in Motherwell, poor bastards never knew what hit them = end of the empire, nuff said!
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Post by grumpyjohn » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:55 am

In 6 years of farm detecting in Scotland I have dug 11 medieval coins (4 Scotish and 7 English). :D I look at my English counterparts who seem to find a hammered coin every outing with a degree of envy! :(
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Post by Cynergy » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:34 pm

Rumour has it that there is a cow hide full of gold coins buried near Carnwath and what about bonny prince Charlie's massive fighting fund buried where he landed and never found or did he spend it all on curries and wzki?
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Post by Gwawrer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:51 pm

Not much better for me and I live in Chester and it used to have a Roman legion of 6,000 men. Hah find a Roman coin is like looking for an Alien in Chester.
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Post by edge1255 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:17 pm

Remember though, folks, we have gold deposits up here, near Crianlarich, just 20 - 25 miles north of Glasgow. They used to mine it commercially but it wasn't viable for a company to continue. Could be worth it to spend a couple of days detecting the streams with quartz in them. I will admit that I won't be rushing out to purchase a Minelab GPZ7000 any time soon, though! :))
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Post by oldartefact » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:58 pm

Beany_bot wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:57 am
Was chatting to a guy yesterday who really knows his stuff and he was telling not to expect the kind of finds that you guys down south get. He said that right from Celtic times right up the the mid 1700's Scotland has always had a massive massive shortage of coinage. Apparently we didn't have the silver or gold mines that you guys had. Generally speaking the way to trade was bartering, right up untill "recent" times. Some French and Dutch coins were smuggled back to try and use and any Scottish coins that made their way to England were kept because of their rarity and quality.

A little history for you there :)



Alas, fairly sad news as I was hopeing that first hammie was just around the corner :( nevermind though, there is still plenty to find!
Still Scotland does have its fair share of stunning detecting finds ... so dont give up hope ... and in modern times I'm thinking that Scotland now gets a very very decent slice from the financial pot, making paying for your detector that little bit more easy perhaps ... wink wink ::g ::g
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Post by smudge.g » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:08 pm

You just have to know where to detect here in the far NE. I live about 8 miles south of the Moray Firth and finds are limited to mainly post-Culloden (1700s). I have found a few hammies but this is agricultural land and silver wouldnt have been plentiful. However, my friends who detect close to the coast around Elgin (much richer) and Lossiemouth find hammies and other nice medieval finds quite regularly. Between us, we have a slow but constant source of finds (via TT) going into the Elgin Musuem though!! HH all.
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Post by f8met » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:16 pm

I have 3 Scottish hammered found in England so there must have been some circulating. I thought the Alexander stuff was pretty common. And I don't include the James I/VI that I have found.

I thought the first copper wire was created by 2 Scots arguing over a penny -=+:-P Or was it 2 Yorksiremen?
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Post by smudge.g » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:39 pm

Lol! We have also noticed that crotal bells seem to be pretty rare here too, I've only found half of one in 5 years and very few come up between our groups for some reason!!
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Post by PHILLUCKY » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:01 pm

Viking finds must turn up I would have thought in Scotland. would be great to find

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