Thames Foreshore Permit

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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by alloverover » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:57 pm

Fusion wrote:I've heard stories from the 80's of huge holes, which were covered with corrugated steel sheets and weighted with stones when the tide came in, so that they could carry on digging when it went out again.
Yep, they were the glory days, Museum of London would be a much less worthwhile institution without the Society of Thames Mudlarks :D :D :D ::g



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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by michaelbarlow » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:02 pm

I think having a thames foreshore permit is great because twice a day everyday of the year there are (more or less) no restrictions to dig history, for £55 you get a permit that lasts 3 years after 2 years you can apply to become a full thames mudlark and dig 1.2m but tbh the 3 inches are all you need because a lot of stuff is sitting on top, bearing in mind I've only been doing it for about 6 months and I've already had a hammered coin, 17th c traders, various coins dating from 1675 to the modern day pound coin, one of my favourites is a charles II farthing, along with many artifacts, cannon balls bullets musket balls, buckles, brooches, a nice royal airforce uniform badge and hundreds of buttons, it would take a long time to build up permissions where I have this freedom and the sheer velocity of finds that come up, I love detecting also and one day hope to have plenty of good permissions to keep me occupied but you can't knock mudlarking, its great fun and you get some awesome finds
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by targets » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:04 pm

mudlarks meeting tonight at the george pub southwark.....
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Looking for Thames Foreshore Buddy

Post by dennisdog » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:28 pm

Hi all, Ive just been reading with great interest about mudlarking and have always wanted to try it out. I would love to join anyone for a trip sometime and share travel etc. So if anyone is interested please reply and maybe plan a good day out.

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Re: Looking for Thames Foreshore Buddy

Post by slinky » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:36 pm

dennisdog wrote:Hi all, Ive just been reading with great interest about mudlarking and have always wanted to try it out. I would love to join anyone for a trip sometime and share travel etc. So if anyone is interested please reply and maybe plan a good day out.
I think this needs a MDF mud larking rally day....... =)) ::g
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by stevebills » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:20 pm

rogargaro15 wrote:we cannot forget also, that the permit costs £55 a year!! and you can only dig up to 7.5cm
there is another permit where you can dig up to 1.2mt but i dont know how to get it..

Adult £55
Junior (12-17yrs) £25 (must be accompanied by a permit holding adult)
Daily £20 How can a daily charge be £20 and a yearly charge be £55

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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by Fusion » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:16 pm

It's £55 for THREE years.
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by safug » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:50 pm

dilemma wrote:Like the sound of this, does anyone on the forum actually do this and if so any chance in joining you for a morning. Also is there a certain detector that favours this type of detecting. Dont mind traveling and paying for lunch and maybe a half.
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by funky_monkey7 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:30 pm

Levi or anyone else - feel free to send me a PM if you're interested in going - I'm definitely up for a dig in the Thames. Anybody know how long it takes to get the license once you've paid?

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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by targets » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:51 am

funky_monkey7 wrote:Levi or anyone else - feel free to send me a PM if you're interested in going - I'm definitely up for a dig in the Thames. Anybody know how long it takes to get the license once you've paid?
you cant dig deep holes without being a member of the ML society and they have a waiting list to join.
just shallow holes on the standard permit .
the passing riverboat cops will hail you with A MEGAPHONE to show your licence .
its a big licence !
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by egon999 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:37 pm

I live in the exotic North so getting onto the Thames is difficult but i managed a trip at Christmas. Just eyes only but it was a good trip out. I'm not sure how well you'd do with a detector as there is a lot of scrap and the people I've seen with machines seem to have sniper coils.
I found mainly pipe bowls and stems and also a wig curler (made by the pipe makers)

The areas i was on were a mix of gravel, sand and mud and i pretty much stayed in sight of a set of steps at all times, so I didnt really get that far. I can recomend an eyes only hunt for anyone wanting to 'dip their toes' before commiting to buying a 3 year permit

From my research (and extensive 1 consecutive days experience ;) ) I found the following pointers, but feel free to correct any mistakes. Good luck if you are heading down there and if you live in London its a chance not to be missed. Looking forward to seeing some photos pasted up
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: Eyes only hunting is allowed anywhere on the foreshore (excluding areas that are restricted for safety or security. The crown estate jointly looks after the Thames in conjunction with the Port of London Authority. See below for maps

: The £55 permits allows you to use a detector and dig 3 inches (75mm) down but only in certain areas. Maps are available on the Port of London website that show you where you can go. https://www.pla.co.uk/Environment/Metal ... -Foreshore" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

: Theres obviously a risk with the tides. Theres plenty of sites available that have the info you need to time your trip http://www.pla.co.uk/Safety/Tide-Tables" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

: Mudlark permits have to be earned. There seems to be a 2 year wait to get one during which you are expected to find and submit items to the british museum. Once you have one you can dig to around a metre and the areas you can search are expanded

: Pretty much everywhere is slippery or rough underfoot. I wore hiking boots as a balance between ankle support and waterproofing

: Have a look on youtube to get an idea on the areas you can expect to visit, but bear in mind that many videos are submitted by 'mudlarks' so you'll not be able to detect there
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by Pjam » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:10 pm

rogargaro15 wrote:we cannot forget also, that the permit costs £55 a year!! and you can only dig up to 7.5cm
Now up to £73 ! Ouch x;

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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by Biffo » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:48 pm

I was watching some of the youtube videos about this on Sunday morning. Its something I'm going to have to do, even if its just an "eyes only" search. I assume the Thames in London is the most productive area, but also the most heavily searched - what about other bits ? Anybody search anywhere else on the Thames ?
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by targets » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:20 pm

many areas are now out of bounds to any searching , but they were heavilly dug in the 70s - 90s period down to 10 feet and filled in again. any foreshore between tower bridge and blackfirars bridge has likely been already dug deep many times over ,east of lambeth bridge headed towards parliament is well out of bounds and the cops will get seriously mad if you even tread on that foreshore . greenwich is now banned and in front of tower of london is banned for diggers but you may get away with scraping . in front cop station at wapping bnned . you get a sheet of banned areas with the licence so adhere to the banned areas .queenhithe dock is banned and a monument area .
there are numerous areas that the LM is wanting to keep for themselves as they see old timbers popping up .....so are banned to diggers ....even gravesend was heavilly dug ,,but there may be other places that are undug and unsearched as yet ...about 30 guys were digging it for decades 24/7 in the 70s to 90s ,even in the middle of the nights at 3am they were digging with lamps ,such was their dedication, and on xmas day as well ::g ::g
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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:35 pm

targets wrote:many areas are now out of bounds to any searching , but they were heavilly dug in the 70s - 90s period down to 10 feet and filled in again. any foreshore between tower bridge and blackfirars bridge has likely been already dug deep many times over ,east of lambeth bridge headed towards parliament is well out of bounds and the cops will get seriously mad if you even tread on that foreshore . greenwich is now banned and in front of tower of london is banned for diggers but you may get away with scraping . in front cop station at wapping bnned . you get a sheet of banned areas with the licence so adhere to the banned areas .queenhithe dock is banned and a monument area .
there are numerous areas that the LM is wanting to keep for themselves as they see old timbers popping up .....so are banned to diggers ....even gravesend was heavilly dug ,,but there may be other places that are undug and unsearched as yet ...about 30 guys were digging it for decades 24/7 in the 70s to 90s ,even in the middle of the nights at 3am they were digging with lamps ,such was their dedication, and on xmas day as well ::g ::g

Targets is spot on i wasn't in the UK in the 90 but it seems that after much talk with some of the mudlarks from the society a lot has been dug only a handful of mudlark are digging ,i got lots of ideas i would love to try but i dont think i will allowed ,my believe is that a lot of treasures must be there but.......................................in the water....searching the Thames is addictive like a gold fever/rush .Mudmen series has attracted a lot of new talents but the Thames is long and large so i guess we will still find nice bits ...cant complain myself .


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Re: Thames Foreshore Permit

Post by Pastmember01 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:03 pm

My permit has just turned up about 3 weeks after applying - I'm now a number! It's a credit card size photo ID. They also supply all of the maps and prohibited areas - actually very few and none where I plan to search. The letter says you should show the permit "on demand" to a Port of London Authority or Police officer. I presume that excludes river bailiffs and I'd want anyone's ID before showing the permit.
It's £75 for 3 years which seems a lot but you can't do much for less these days. I suspect most folk won't bother as the chance of getting checked is probably quite remote but, if you are detecting you owe it to other detectorists to show the hobby in a good light. And, for me, I have other country pursuit licences and it would be stupid to end up noted as not being compliant to the law on an official database.
Now just need to check the tide tables and find some time to go.

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