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Re: Council Permission

Post by OldFartPhil » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:12 pm

I have been to the East Lindsey District Council website and it says that Metal Detecting is allowed on their beaches as long as it's just a private person and not a company doing it , so that covers Skegness and Ingoldmels . It says that detecting is not allowed on beaches south of Skegness and just gives you a list of do's and don'ts . ::g


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Re: Council Permission

Post by jingernut » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:45 am

Just go this back from my local council when asking about metal detecting on council owned land.

"As all our parks and open spaces are readily available for public use there would not be a problem to go onto the land that the Town Council maintain. Obviously you know what the rules are on finds!
Happy hunting"

There are a couple of large parks (20+ acres) in the town and a few little ones as well.

Just wondering what sort of results people get from parks? I presume it's just mostly new items?

When do people feel is the best time to detect them?

Thanks.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by rsalvi » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:51 am

From parks I usually get Queen Victoria to present day.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Oldest artefact in a park for me was a Harness pendant, Circa 12th - 13th century. Oldest coin was a 1749 Farthing, but the bulk mainly Victorian through to George VI

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Post by beaubrummell » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:54 pm

The saying goes that all land is old land. There may be a lot of modern trash on the places you've been given permission to detect on but deeper down there's bound to be some great stuff.

If you get out very early in the morning you can get a few hours detecting in before folk start turning up to walk their dogs etc,

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Re: Council Permission

Post by MetalMonkey » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:52 pm

For a Council like mine Cheshire West and Chester and other Council's that won't let us detected on Council owned land is there nothing NCMD could do for us in Educating the council's about our hobby?
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Post by jcmaloney » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:19 am

MetalMonkey wrote:For a Council like mine Cheshire West and Chester and other Council's that won't let us detected on Council owned land is there nothing NCMD could do for us in Educating the council's about our hobby?
Fight our corner a little bit. ~x(
We do "fight your corner", mostly in terms of big stuff like stewardship schemes that can have an effect on the millions of acres of arable land.
However it is always the landowners choice if they allow detecting or not.

Feel free to start a discussion on the NCMD members forum. That way it`ll get wider exposure. ::g
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Re: Council Permission

Post by prezz1 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:47 am

Hi All, I just got a reply back from my parks and recreation in barrow cumbria, I am not clever enough to put the email on here,
This is what the superintendant said, Under no circumstances will i allow or will ever allow, you to
EXCAVATE my park, I am sure there are NON-COUNCIL areas to go.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by jingernut » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:13 am

jingernut wrote:Just go this back from my local council when asking about metal detecting on council owned land.

"As all our parks and open spaces are readily available for public use there would not be a problem to go onto the land that the Town Council maintain. Obviously you know what the rules are on finds!
Happy hunting"

There are a couple of large parks (20+ acres) in the town and a few little ones as well.

Just wondering what sort of results people get from parks? I presume it's just mostly new items?

When do people feel is the best time to detect them?

Thanks.
Further to this, I was concerned that from the email I received I may have been allowed to detect and not actually dig so emailed them back for clarification.

I have received an updated email from a different department now saying.

"I have been contacted about whether we allow metal detecting within our parks. We do not allow this as if you have a signal you will then want to dig to find out what it is. We do not allow any digging as in the past we have had people come onto our land and start digging even within the play areas which is not acceptable. As a result we do not allow metal detecting – surely there are plenty of other local open farmland that does allows access."

So it appears that the actions of someone else have spoiled it for the rest... isn't that always the case nowadays.

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Post by Monkeyman101 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:15 pm

This was my reply from my council.

Dear Mr xxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email of 12 September 2014.

Whilst we endeavour to allow as many diverse activities on our open spaces as we can, I must inform you that at present **** **** Council does not unfortunately permit metal detecting on its land.

If we were to allow this activity on our sites we would have to establish some clear rules based on the guidelines that already exist. However, the difficulty would be in deciding which sites are appropriate and which are not. We would need to establish whether there might need to be different rules for each site. We would need to adopt a clear policy that may need to be linked to a number of sites. There is advice for instance from the National Council for Metal Detecting, http://www.ncmd.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. There is also, I understand a list of local clubs who may be able to advise you of sites that you might be able to metal detect on.

When we are able to look into this further, we will certainly be consulting local clubs. I am pleased to hear you are a member of one of the NCMD. Perhaps a local club would be able to help you find sites that are available and would update you if East Herts Council is able to allow access to some of its sites in the future.

For your information we have had some dialogue with the Historic Environment Advisor at ******* County Council. She advises that metal detecting is not permitted on any land owned by *********** County Council including a number of parks. On Open Access Land (Commons etc.) metal detecting, indeed carrying a metal detector, is prohibited under Schedule 2 of the Countryside and Rights of Way Act (CRoW 2000). With regards to Public Rights of Way, the right is only to pass and repass, nothing else. Indeed it is an offence to damage the surface of a Public Highway. The land over which a right of way runs is usually owned by the adjacent land owners, therefore any artefacts within the ground beneath a Public Right of Way are the property of those landowners. She considers that the vast majority of public open spaces across the district owed by District, Town or Parish Councils are likely to come under the 'open access land' banner, having originated as Commons. If any part of a public open space is designated as a Scheduled Monument, it has the added protection of the 1979 Act.

I am not aware of any metal detecting being permitted in ******** Park but can advise that the ******* Park Friends Group were authorised to carry out some investigation of a feature in the park last year and will be pursuing this in a limited way this year. They have our permission and are working closely with archaeological advisers from County. We are hoping to develop a wider externally funded project to further explore the history of the park in the future with the assistance of professional archaeological consultants. We will of course publicise this if we are able to find suitable funding and would welcome assistance from residents like yourself who may have useful experience.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Asquith » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:00 pm

Hi All,
So after reading about how members were not getting on approaching their councils I decided to have a go after all they can only say no in which case I would have gone to the parishes and tried again however I was utterly amazed to get this




Today at 11:04 AM

Hi xxxxxx

Thanks for your enquiry about metal detecting on Cornwall Council open land.


Cornwall Council does not have a formal policy on metal detecting on its countryside sites, but metal detecting enthusiasts are asked to follow the NCMD Code of Practice for Responsible Metal Detecting, hold appropriate public liability insurance, report any significant finds to the Council & leave the site as they found it (re-instating any holes they dig etc). Metal detecting is not permitted near any Scheduled Ancient Monuments.



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well impressed at that, just have to wait until mid november for my detector 98;
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Re: Council Permission

Post by hihosilver » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:19 pm

Does Cornwall council even own any land in the countryside? :-/ :)) I guess getting permission to actually detect on those sites would be the place they say 'no' to you perhaps.
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Post by slick63 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:17 pm

Asquith wrote:Hi All,
So after reading about how members were not getting on approaching their councils I decided to have a go after all they can only say no in which case I would have gone to the parishes and tried again however I was utterly amazed to get this....
That`s quite interesting, now I just need to find out which land they own ::g
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Post by Drew » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:08 pm

I got this reply from my local council.

XXXXX Council desires to protect the public lands administered by it from unnecessary damage which may arise through the careless action of some persons using metal detectors.

In not seeking a regulation to prohibit the use of any device designed or adapted for detecting or locating any metal or mineral in the ground it has been agreed with the local representatives of the National Council for Metal detecting that detectorists are allowed to pursue unimpeded provided they:-
• Make good any land disturbed.
• Not dig on cultivated grounds or formal sports areas.
• Except for treasure trove ( which means, any gold or silver in coin, plate or
bullion ) which is found hidden in the earth, any unusual ,uncommon or extraordinary object or objects, whether man-made or not, which is or are of historical or archaeological interest, including treasure trove which is found unattached on the surface of the earth),which is or are discovered on, at or under any of the sites covered by this agreement, must be reported to and handed to the Head of Parks and Cemeteries, xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, no later than 14 days from discovering the said object or objects, and the said object or objects will remain the lawful property of xxxxxxxxxxxx Council (the council) who will have all rights to deal with the property as the council sees fit.
• Treasure trove which is found hidden in the earth of any of the sites covered by this agreement must be reported immediately to xxxxx Constabulary, xxxxxxx Police Station, xxxxx.
• Comply with existing byelaws. Particular attention is drawn to the need to avoid damage by the indiscriminate parking of vehicles.
• Follow the code of Conduct of the National Council for Metal Detecting.
• Insure for Public Liability for £1,000,000 cover.
• Carry a certified copy of this agreement for the production on request to any Council representative to affirm the right of the person to be metal detecting on council land as specified on the attached schedule. A valid NCMD licence must be presented at the same time to make this agreement valid.
• This permit is only valid for the locations overleaf which have been approved.

On the application form it asks for locations required, so some investigation needs to be done as I doubt they would accept all.

But at least it wasn't a easy NO.
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Post by Shufly » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:34 am

It is a very little known fact, but no councils anywhere in the land actually own any land,, They hold it in trust for the people of that parish, who hold it on trust for the Cathedral of that said county,, ,,They are elected by the people on behalf of the people, and for the benefit and upkeep of the Diocese of the Cathedral.., Fact,. !!!!

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Post by Owain 1405 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:13 am

Whilst it is true that Councils/local authorities technically don't own any land, in the eyes of the law they are the "Landowners" ::g
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Post by minorblue » Fri May 01, 2015 10:33 am

I sent my council an email ( said they reply within 5 days ) its been 2 months.
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Post by brummieade » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:16 pm

Ive sat and read this whole thread and its amazing how varied local authoritys can be im in Birmingham and have emailed the parks department and bromsgrove council
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Post by djknight1974 » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:40 pm

I read on here somewhere that it may be better to approach some local Parish Councils for permissions..... Great advice!!!

I emailed 5 Parishes recently and been given 2 permissions... so a great return! No such luck with County Councils though.
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Post by sydneyhorn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:11 pm

Hi,

A newbie here with a newbie type question!

I have just been through my local council byelaws and can find no byelaw preventing metal detecting in the local parks. They are obviously aware of metal detecting as there are specific byelaws for some protected areas that are in the same council's area.

I know we want to protect the image of our hobby and I don't intend to hunt without specific permission but is that permission from the council anything more than a courtesy or is it a legal requirement? What law(s) does it come under if not byelaws and what are the punishments for infringements?

Apologies if this is an obvious or stupid question!

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Post by beaubrummell » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:24 pm

Hi

Thought I'd bump your message back to the top as it needs a reply.

Read the attached, especially the first section headed 'Before you go metal detecting'. ::g

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Post by gingerjar » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:11 pm

I e-mailed Breckland Council ( Norfolk) last Friday to ask about getting permission to Detect in my local area.. I did get a reply on Monday from them with a refusal. stating about 8/10 reasons why not.. health and safety, theft of artifacts. Insurance,. etc... I did also mail my Parish council in May of this year, I am still waiting for them to reply so I assume the answer is no also,

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Post by sydneyhorn » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:23 pm

Thanks beaubrummell.

I think my post was badly worded. I have absolutely no intention of breaking the code of conduct regarding permissions or indeed any other way.

The council I live in (Worthing) has a history of being very variable when it comes to our hobby. Recently a beach warden was happily telling people that there was a byelaw preventing detecting on the beach. No such byelaw exists. In another post I found, someone was verbally told that they can detect in Worthing parks whereas others have had emails from council staff telling them they can't.

What I was thinking of doing is sending an email/letter to the council saying something like '...as you are aware, there are no byelaws preventing me from metal detecting in Worthing parks but I would like your permission to do so under the understanding that I will act in accordance with the National Metal Detecting Club code of conduct". I will add some details with a link and may be add that other councils have accepted this code of conduct.

I really get the impression that my council (and perhaps many others) really don't know what their own byelaws say or what good practice metal detecting is all about.

I was really asking if there are any overarching laws that prevent metal detecting in public parks (not SSSI) that the council can use to deny access or is it just a matter of luck as to who you ask? I was hoping by stating that there are no byelaws in our borough, and no other legal impediment, that it may push them into saying yes :)

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Post by beaubrummell » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:44 am

My council were reluctant until I mentioned that the government's own guidelines say that offering no land for the hobby is 'unreasonable'.

The government advice is as follows.

The following comes from the "Communities and Local Government" website

Metal detectors

31. Local authorities may introduce bye-laws to prohibit or restrict the use of metal detectors in pleasure grounds. Bye-laws to prohibit the use of metal detectors may be appropriate in grounds requiring special protection, for example areas consisting of closely mown and carefully cultivated turf and flower beds or sites of archaeological botanical or scientific interest or areas much used by blind or disabled persons. However, a bye-law which prohibits the use of metal detectors in areas not in need of special protection or from all the grounds in a particular area may be seen as over-restrictive and unreasonable.
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Post by hairyharry » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:18 pm

Beau, could you pm me the website you found this on, also what type of draught you sent to the council, as i am trying to free up some abandoned farmland near me that is owned by the council but is without a tenant and has been for some years now.

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Post by beaubrummell » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:40 pm

PM'd you HH. ::g
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Post by hairyharry » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:57 pm

Thanks, you are a star, going to use this next time i have a chance to reply to the council.

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Post by sydneyhorn » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:47 pm

Thanks beau!

Those guidelines are very sensible. Hopefully my council will agree!

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Post by Trada » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:32 pm

Sent an Email last night to my town council, They won town council of the year the other week I will see if they live up to that.

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Post by fisheruk » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:53 pm

I cant express in words how unhelpful Manchester City Council are.
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