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Re: Council Permission

Post by jarrett » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:14 pm

I think it was on the last page that had a link to the Department for Communities and Local Government pdf about open spaces so will call them again and get a email addy for them and take that route,can see this being a slog although if they do not have a bylaw in place what happens if a ranger pulls you whilst at great risk to yourself and others whilst you are detecting!



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Re: Council Permission

Post by owdgit » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:17 pm

re wigan council:
when i asked, one person said yes and another said no. so i did a freedom of information ...thing... and the legal department replied eventually. they said that wigan council has NO specific policy in place regarding the use of metal detectors on council land, but then said, so i will say it's not allowed.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by DionAstro » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:23 pm

Owdgit, my freedom of information request was with Wigan council, the link further up has the reply on it but hetes the link again, Im in Leigh by the way.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-720880

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Re: Council Permission

Post by f8met » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:51 pm

Link to East Devon policy. You can detect but not dig.

http://eastdevon.gov.uk/parks-gardens-a ... d-gardens/

And the policy on beaches

http://eastdevon.gov.uk/beaches/metal-d ... n-beaches/
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Re: Council Permission

Post by f8met » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:53 pm

Bromsgrove have this document which gives permission

http://www.bromsgrove.gov.uk/media/9270 ... idance.pdf
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Wessexlad » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:13 pm

Bury St Edmunds have three parks you can detect on. Needs an annual (paid-for) licence though.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by iDetect » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:40 pm

DionAstro wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:23 pm
Owdgit, my freedom of information request was with Wigan council, the link further up has the reply on it but hetes the link again, Im in Leigh by the way.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-720880
Isn't it amazing, despite the fact I asked the same question of Wigan Council in 2014 their response was exactly the same? So when they say they will be reviewing the lack of a policy "soon" you really do have to wonder what their understand of the word "soon" is.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by DionAstro » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:51 pm

Dont hold your breath lol.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by tcawood » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:51 pm

I got an answer from Kirklees council today, they said no ;-(
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Re: Council Permission

Post by przemo1302 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:16 pm

I emailed South Lakeland Council for permission and they said no.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by sweepstick47 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:00 pm

When a council issues a 'no' to such a request, do they state chapter and verse in order to validate their stance? If not, it would be my suggestion to request the actual references. It's your right to know and their obligation to reply.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by przemo1302 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:22 am

They just wrote no without explaining why. So should I ask for actual by-laws or something else? Anyone has idea what exactly ask or had simillar situation? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by sweepstick47 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:24 am

It's my view, that you've been short changed by their scant 'No' reply. I would certainly be submitting a polite request for the references. I suspect it will fall to one of the 'catch-all' sections within a local by-law but it's certainly worth pursuing for clarification.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by przemo1302 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:46 pm

Thanks very much sweepstick47 for advice.

Ribble Valley Borough Council also said no.

So in reply I asked both:

Please, can you kindly send me references to Council policy or law etc., based on which you are not giving permission for metal detecting on Council land?

We will see if they even write anything back or ignore me.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by sweepstick47 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:58 pm

Good on you! ::g Let's hope, as with several other councils, they find themselves able to adopt a more sympathetic stance to your request.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Zyrbalax » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:49 am

BANES is a no. Although the Head of Parks was very good, he did consider revising policy and took advice from various people (Conservation Office, Historic England, FLO); FLO in particular seems to have been heavily against (on grounds of potential damage to archaeological record apparently) - which I find rather disappointing.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by przemo1302 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:46 pm

As I promised here you can find replies from 2 councils to which I wrote about metal detecting.
SLDC:
SLDC do not have a policy specific to metal detecting, however, our parks and open spaces are for everyone to use safely and are not to be dug up without prior permission.

In addition should any item be found on a park or open space it would belong to the council and the park users.

Where persons are discovered to be taking part in activities such as metal detecting they are requested to stop and move on.


For me sounds funny and looks like - go ahead and try not to be catched - so nighthawking which we do not respect.

Ribble Valey:

Thank you for your email, as landowner we can decide what is permissible on the open spaces we manage. Metal detecting is not something we will permit to occur, it is understood that unfortunately responsible participants in this activity are all prohibited just the same as those who are not so responsible. However this as landowner is our stance.

I am sorry that you will not be given permission and hope that you are able to find other land where you can participate in you activity.


That one basically says no, because we do not know what to do with it, so better just say no and we are (or person which wrote it) landlord and we will do what we want and where we want. Sounds like private landlord, they probably do not understand that they are working for us as a public servant.

That's all only my feelings, if you have different opinion please share it with me.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:56 pm

Both of those replies fail to point out the "main" reason behind it all:
Insurance
Whoever supplys the councils insurance will place a blanket ban
Simply because if someone fell or tripped over a hole, and someone saw a metal detectorist on the land then the council would become liable for allowing the detectorist to dig holes and potentially leaving said holes in an unsafe situation
The insurance companies write a clause in that stops the councils making a claim on the insurance should someone take them to court

I was told that by a local councilor many years ago
He said if the insurance refuse to payout then the council would be liable and bankrupt
Sadly with a lot of things in todays world it is governed by money and blanket bans

You can but try, but you will find no is no in a lot of the cases

Some councils do allow it, they must have some agreement with their insurance, or have not looked into that side of things, or are burying their heads in the sand and hoping for the best.

I suppose it would be interesting to ask if the NCMD insurance policy would cover you if you dug on council land if they permitted it, would the NCMD insurance payout if someone tried to sue you for leaving a hole unsafe or deemed to be unsafe or accused of being unsafe?
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Re: Council Permission

Post by przemo1302 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:17 pm

Blackadder43 wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:56 pm
Both of those replies fail to point out the "main" reason behind it all:
Insurance
Whoever supplys the councils insurance will place a blanket ban
Simply because if someone fell or tripped over a hole, and someone saw a metal detectorist on the land then the council would become liable for allowing the detectorist to dig holes and potentially leaving said holes in an unsafe situation
The insurance companies write a clause in that stops the councils making a claim on the insurance should someone take them to court

I was told that by a local councilor many years ago
He said if the insurance refuse to payout then the council would be liable and bankrupt
Sadly with a lot of things in todays world it is governed by money and blanket bans

You can but try, but you will find no is no in a lot of the cases

Some councils do allow it, they must have some agreement with their insurance, or have not looked into that side of things, or are burying their heads in the sand and hoping for the best.

I suppose it would be interesting to ask if the NCMD insurance policy would cover you if you dug on council land if they permitted it, would the NCMD insurance payout if someone tried to sue you for leaving a hole unsafe or deemed to be unsafe or accused of being unsafe?
You are right, good point ::g

We could save the time if councils could clearly state that they are not allowing, because of the their insurance terms and conditions. For me it would be enough and I would not ask any more questions.

I gently asked for reference to coucils policy, law etc - they have been just stating NO without explaining why and it looks like "I don't know anything about what he wants, better and safer will be, if I will say no, less paperwork etc."

I am not specialist in law but if something is not forbidden then is allowed.

If they haven't policy which says no to metal detection, how they want to forbid it? They will send policmen which will say stop or you will have a problem without any law reference or what?

I just can't stand this attitude (not only to metal detecting) in the most of council and government offices - "better say no - it is easier" or "I know better cause I have the power".
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Post by nubsey » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:47 am

Hi all, what a great post to start my entrance to MDF. Have not read them all, but is there a list of the councils that will allow it. The chaps that live near the coast, and the coucils will not allow on the beach, then check the crown commisions policy, and see if they own the foreshore. Thats the bit between high and low tide. If they own it the council will not be able to stop you detecting in that area as it is not thier land. You have permission from the Queen. I think that one of the concils was reading and also Epsom. If when sending an email it would help if we could list the councils that allow it.
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Re: Council Permission - Glasgow

Post by Magnas » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:42 am

Hi all, I saw the thread and wondered what the situation would be in Glasgow's parks. On the city council's website I found this.

9. Events and Other Activities
9.2 The use of metal detectors is allowed, but only when the user is a member of the National Council for Metal Detecting, and is in possession of a permit issued by the National Council for Metal Detecting for detecting in Glasgow’s parks.

My NCMD member's card is on its way but I have no idea about the permit they mention.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Bors » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:53 am

=)) The one that made me laugh the most was the Council that said,....." metal detecting is allowed, as long as you don`t dig any holes". What !!!!

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Dave8472 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:07 pm

Bors wrote:
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=)) The one that made me laugh the most was the Council that said,....." metal detecting is allowed, as long as you don`t dig any holes". What !!!!
Yeah I have seen that :)) I think it’s so people can look for recent losses ::g

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Re: Council Permission

Post by nubsey » Wed May 01, 2019 3:39 pm

Well I have just sent off an email to my local council. See below.Don't hold out much hope, but who knows.

Dear Borough Council,
I am requesting information in relation to the Councils Policy on the use of metal detecting on Council owned land e.g. parks, woodland etc. Several Local Councils have a permit scheme.

Does XXXX have a similar scheme or would they consider requests on a case by case basis if detecting was for informing local history and if all finds were logged with an appropriate department e.g. Archive Section Central Library.

Thanks for your time

Yours faithfully,

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Post by nubsey » Thu May 02, 2019 6:11 pm

Have just had a reply back from the girl in the allotments and parks depatment. She addressed me by my first name. It helps to be on first name terms. I do actually know her as I have an allotment. She said she is going to look into it. Perhaps if I told here I would get rid of my trailer that I have at my allotment we could do a deal.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu May 02, 2019 6:19 pm

nubsey wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 3:39 pm
Archive Section Central Library.

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The problem with nicking stuff off the internet is that you can come a cropper. The ‘Archive Section Central Library’ is not where you’d register finds. You might want to switch that for ‘the Portable Antiquities Scheme’ ::g

Not trying to be clever. If anyone else is thinking if writing a similar letter this amendment is important :D

Hope you get a good response Nubsey ::g
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Re: Council Permission

Post by oliverb5829 » Thu May 02, 2019 6:31 pm

Hi everyone,

Just another to tick off the list is tameside council where I live, they don't permit metal detecting unfortunately, this is the response I received ;

"We don’t generally permit metal detecting on Council land; most of our Countryside sites aren’t suitable because they have below ground archaeology, ground nesting birds and so on. Our urban parks also have some archaeology, and we don’t want to encourage people to start digging holes unless we know there is a valid reason to do so, such as a dig organised for archaeological research and not for personal interest."

Hope it helps others.

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Post by nubsey » Thu May 02, 2019 7:01 pm

oliverb5829 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:31 pm
Hi everyone,

Just another to tick off the list is tameside council where I live, they don't permit metal detecting unfortunately, this is the response I received ;

"We don’t generally permit metal detecting on Council land; most of our Countryside sites aren’t suitable because they have below ground archaeology, ground nesting birds and so on. Our urban parks also have some archaeology, and we don’t want to encourage people to start digging holes unless we know there is a valid reason to do so, such as a dig organised for archaeological research and not for personal interest."

Hope it helps others.
So can you organise a rally and sayn it is a archaeological dig
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Post by nubsey » Thu May 02, 2019 7:04 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:19 pm
nubsey wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 3:39 pm
Archive Section Central Library.

Knicked the off the web, but it looks good
The problem with nicking stuff off the internet is that you can come a cropper. The ‘Archive Section Central Library’ is not where you’d register finds. You might want to switch that for ‘the Portable Antiquities Scheme’ ::g

Not trying to be clever. If anyone else is thinking if writing a similar letter this amendment is important :D

Hope you get a good response Nubsey ::g
Thanks for that Oxgirl. Hopefully it will not be noticed by the council. But a very valid point and if it is, it makes it look like you have not your homework etc
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Post by nubsey » Fri May 03, 2019 11:02 am

I was just thinking. If we got a permission off the council, and they stated that everything that was found on the site belonged to them, does that mean we would have to give them every bottle top. rusty nail, ring pull, scrap iron, etc etc that we dug up. It could be quite fun, turning up at the council offices with a large bag of rubbish and dumping it on someones desk. Or would that be classed as fly tipping.
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