Council Permission

Please post all topics here related to the research and gaining finding permission to metal detect.
User avatar
Wuntbedruv
Posts: 114
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:00 pm
Location: West Sussex
Has thanked: 51 times
Been thanked: 154 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Wuntbedruv » Fri May 03, 2019 12:49 pm

nubsey wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 7:01 pm

So can you organise a rally and sayn it is a archaeological dig
That argument is less watertight than a colander.


God gives all men all earth to love, but since man’s heart is small,
Ordains for each one spot shall prove beloved over all.
Each to his choice, and I rejoice, the lot has fallen to me
In a fair ground—in a fair ground—Yea, Sussex by the sea!

User avatar
GeorgeMK
Posts: 156
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:27 pm
Location: Milton Keynes
Has thanked: 259 times
Been thanked: 115 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by GeorgeMK » Fri May 03, 2019 4:25 pm

nubsey wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 7:01 pm

So can you organise a rally and sayn it is a archaeological dig
it would be sod’s law that you would fine a hoard and then the following would come into play,

“With regards to the payment of rewards the Treasure Act says states that:
..rewards will not be payable when the find is made by an archaeologist or anyone engaged on an archaeological excavation or investigation.
This then applies to all archaeologists and volunteers working on any project.”

https://finds.org.uk/treasure/advice/forarchaeologists

User avatar
alloverover
Posts: 10954
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:49 pm
Has thanked: 626 times
Been thanked: 1200 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by alloverover » Fri May 03, 2019 7:34 pm

If you got permission from my local council yesterday then you may as well rip it up today because that council has been blown, not only out of the water but off the planet ::g

Paul Jack
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:00 pm

Re: Council Permission

Post by Paul Jack » Fri May 03, 2019 8:21 pm

We seem to be very lucky in Swansea. The council allow us to detect most of the parks in Swansea between 1st October and the end of March. This has been going on for some considerable time.

User avatar
nubsey
Posts: 49
Joined: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 pm
Location: Heathrow
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 25 times
Contact:

Re: Council Permission

Post by nubsey » Sun May 05, 2019 12:36 am

I think this is a great posting, but although I am new to the hobby/recreation, there seems to be a reluctance for some folks to say where. Typical response, I asked my council and they said yes when I showed them I had insurance. It seems as if they are intent on guarding the infomation, incase someone else gets a licence as well. If you are in Upper snodgrass council, it matters nothing to most of us on here. But if you can get a meeting with the council on the matter it would be great to say that Upper Snodgrass will allow it, so why don't you.

Nubsey. Spelthorne council, but might have ago at Runnymede next door soon.
So please let us know what Council.
I am starting a list, just in case my mob say no. Then the fun starts.
Nox 800
Tesoro silver sabre U max

TheNCMD
Posts: 258
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:39 am
Has thanked: 28 times
Been thanked: 117 times

Re: Council Permission - Glasgow

Post by TheNCMD » Sun May 05, 2019 2:51 pm

Magnas wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:42 am
Hi all, I saw the thread and wondered what the situation would be in Glasgow's parks. On the city council's website I found this.

9. Events and Other Activities
9.2 The use of metal detectors is allowed, but only when the user is a member of the National Council for Metal Detecting, and is in possession of a permit issued by the National Council for Metal Detecting for detecting in Glasgow’s parks.

My NCMD member's card is on its way but I have no idea about the permit they mention.
Your best bet to get an answer on this one would be to contact the Scottish NCMD who arranged access to the parks in the first place.
Last edited by TheNCMD on Sun May 05, 2019 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Magnas
Posts: 51
Joined: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:35 am
Location: Glasgow
Has thanked: 91 times
Been thanked: 29 times

Re: Council Permission - Glasgow

Post by Magnas » Sun May 05, 2019 3:03 pm

Your bets bet to get an answer on this one would be to contact the Scottish NCMD who arranged access to the parks in the first place.
[/quote]

Will do, thanks.

BigglesVII
Posts: 2
Joined: Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:13 pm

Re: Council Permission

Post by BigglesVII » Thu May 09, 2019 8:20 pm

Recieved a firm No from Mid Sussex Council to all parks, woodlands and open spaces.

User avatar
nubsey
Posts: 49
Joined: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 pm
Location: Heathrow
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 25 times
Contact:

Re: Council Permission

Post by nubsey » Thu May 16, 2019 10:46 am

Went down to the club last Tuesday, and mentioned about emailing Spelthorne council, about detecting land. It appears that we have been granted two small bits to detect on. Just phoned up the guy and he has confirmed it. So this is great news. They do not allow it in thier parks etc, but this is a small pathway plus about 50 ft to the side, that is right on top of where I live. So another council that tries to help out where they can, at not a blanket ban.
Whoopeee
Nox 800
Tesoro silver sabre U max

RichardJ
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:17 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by RichardJ » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:00 am

Good morning , I have just contacted my local council , Newark and sherwood , they replied within minutes asking me to contact Nottinghamshire county council

peteh
Posts: 214
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:54 pm
Location: Nottinghamshire
Has thanked: 119 times
Been thanked: 80 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by peteh » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:05 pm

Keep us up to date with this Richard ::g
Equinox, T2 classic, GP Pointer and a bucket full of optimism :D

Pete E
Posts: 522
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:59 pm
Location: North Wales
Has thanked: 372 times
Been thanked: 179 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Pete E » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:17 pm

nubsey wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 10:46 am
They do not allow it in thier parks etc, but this is a small pathway plus about 50 ft to the side, that is right on top of where I live. So another council that tries to help out where they can, at not a blanket ban.
Sorry, but I think that's rather pathetic thinking how much land Councils typically own....Its probably the bare minimum small area the Council can authorise so that they can say "they allow detecting"...

This is not a crack at yourself BTW and I understand something is better than nothing, but peeves it me to see Detectorists treated as second class citizens rather than any other recreational land user...
Makro Racer 2
Makro Pinpointer
August EP650 Wireless headphones
TaoTronics Wireless Portable Transmitter, (Bluetooth 4.1, aptX Low Latency)

User avatar
Oxgirl36
Moderator
Posts: 10182
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:54 pm
Location: Oxfordshire
Has thanked: 4042 times
Been thanked: 4463 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Pete E wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:17 pm
nubsey wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 10:46 am
They do not allow it in thier parks etc, but this is a small pathway plus about 50 ft to the side, that is right on top of where I live. So another council that tries to help out where they can, at not a blanket ban.
Sorry, but I think that's rather pathetic thinking how much land Councils typically own....Its probably the bare minimum small area the Council can authorise so that they can say "they allow detecting"...

This is not a crack at yourself BTW and I understand something is better than nothing, but peeves it me to see Detectorists treated as second class citizens rather than any other recreational land user...
The problem often is that a few spoil it for the rest if us. Just as lots of councils ban dogs in parks because a few owners don’t pick up dog waste, all it takes is one detectorist not filling in their holes properly and everyone gets stopped.

Councils banning detecting on beaches I’ve never got though. Saying no during the day in the summer is fair enough but blanket bans I don’t understand x;
Carpe vinum

XP Deus !!£$ I use the HOT programme on 17khz, reactivity at 2.5 on v5.21 with the X35 11” coil

Hammered silver 2019 - 18 8=ypr

Pete E
Posts: 522
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:59 pm
Location: North Wales
Has thanked: 372 times
Been thanked: 179 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Pete E » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:59 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:37 pm
The problem often is that a few spoil it for the rest if us. Just as lots of councils ban dogs in parks because a few owners don’t pick up dog waste, all it takes is one detectorist not filling in their holes properly and everyone gets stopped.
Sadly there is an element of truth in that, but many Councils have other land not just parks..many have farms, undeveloped brown/green sites ect..
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:37 pm
Councils banning detecting on beaches I’ve never got though. Saying no during the day in the summer is fair enough but blanket bans I don’t understand x;
Yeah, kids can dig holes big enough to bury a VW, fishermen (myself included) can dig for bait, but detectorists are banned???? Makes no sense other than sour grapes...
Makro Racer 2
Makro Pinpointer
August EP650 Wireless headphones
TaoTronics Wireless Portable Transmitter, (Bluetooth 4.1, aptX Low Latency)

RichardJ
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:17 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by RichardJ » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:32 pm

After being passed from department to department I gave up , I’m not sure they know if the rules to be honest

Dangerous Norman
Posts: 202
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:35 am
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Dangerous Norman » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:55 pm

RichardJ wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:32 pm
After being passed from department to department I gave up , I’m not sure they know if the rules to be honest
Of course they know the rules word for word. Like all councils the rules are whatever they say at the time, they just try to sicken you off first so they don't have to remember the lies rules they made up last time they were asked.

User avatar
sweepstick47
Moderator
Posts: 10005
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:21 pm
Location: North Lincolnshire
Has thanked: 1776 times
Been thanked: 2553 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by sweepstick47 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:05 pm

RichardJ wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:32 pm
After being passed from department to department I gave up , I’m not sure they know if the rules to be honest
Hello Richard, Have you raised this point personally with your local councillor. They often hold a 'drop-in' session where such matters can be broached and whilst you may not get an immediate answer, one should be forthcoming. If there is further communication on the subject, please keep us informed. ::g Good Luck Regards ss47
A disservice is no service at all.

LloydF
Posts: 60
Joined: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:16 pm
Has thanked: 19 times
Been thanked: 40 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by LloydF » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:28 pm

"We don't normally allow this on our open space land we have allowed them on allotments before with consent from the allotment rep.

Many Thanks"

The reply from Peterborough City Council, I'd forgotten I sent this! Luckily have gained 2 permissions since so it is easier to swallow!
Garrett ACE 400i
Garrett Pro pointer AT

RichardJ
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:17 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by RichardJ » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:13 pm

Morning all , I read an article on the web by a gentleman who had applied to his village councillors (bilsthorpe , Nottinghamshire) and they granted him permission at one of their meetings
I know one of my local councillors fairly well due to him serving in afghan with my brother so I will get in touch with him
I do now have my first permission from ********** in Nottinghamshire, he charges £2.50 a day , his fields have probably been detected more times than a little but a permission non the less

detecting rod
Posts: 54
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:52 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by detecting rod » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:52 pm

ok area i planned to metal detect is council owned thought i could just go and detect it ,but after reading up ,i see i need a permission ,so today i spoke with local counci lnice lady had no idea what i was even talking about so said she would get back to me ,have called back twice now first time she was on the phone but not at her desk (strange)second time she was in a meeting .whats the policy now.well as i finish this she has phoned back and said my borough is fine to metal detect in as long as we follow practice and fill in wholes ,thats kingston if any one else needs info

ubdai66
Posts: 14
Joined: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:27 am
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by ubdai66 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:18 pm

Just sent my second email to my local council. Automated reply on my first email said they would respond in 5 working days. Did they, hell as like. Oh for a job on the council.

Anyways second email has just gone in asking the same question about access to council maintained green spaces and why my original request from June never got an answer.

ubdai66
Fisher F75

detecting rod
Posts: 54
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:52 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by detecting rod » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:23 pm

phone take note of persons name time date ,if no reply ia few days phone back ask for same person,again keep name time date ,thats how i did it

AndyM
Posts: 208
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:33 pm
Location: Canvey
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 28 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by AndyM » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:34 pm

I hate to say this but will anyway, saying such and such council says its OK to detect, may not be a good idea, the trouble is once the crazy's out there read or hear this they will tearing up parks and where ever else they fancy, using the I read it on the MDF free for all permissions list. Use any permission gained to your own advantage, certainly. The more people that detect on your "Free" and advertised permission means less for you to find. :)

detecting rod
Posts: 54
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:52 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by detecting rod » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:04 pm

gone
Last edited by detecting rod on Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
andy1973
Posts: 102
Joined: Thu May 16, 2019 12:11 pm
Has thanked: 81 times
Been thanked: 43 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by andy1973 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:37 am

not sure if this has been mentioned, but mendip offer a permit, not sure how much it is and they only specify a small amount of time and I think its a single location
Makro Kruzer 3 tone
M.A.D member
"I'm praying I find a Hammered or a Roman before my wife... else i'll never live it down"

User avatar
Oxgirl36
Moderator
Posts: 10182
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:54 pm
Location: Oxfordshire
Has thanked: 4042 times
Been thanked: 4463 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:52 am

Please note seeing someone else has permission to detect from a council does not give you the right to detect. You’ll need to check with them and obtain your own permission. This thread only provides guidance on where permission may or may not be given.

Just a reminder that saying ‘I saw it on the MDF’ is not a defence in law ::g
Carpe vinum

XP Deus !!£$ I use the HOT programme on 17khz, reactivity at 2.5 on v5.21 with the X35 11” coil

Hammered silver 2019 - 18 8=ypr

tonymacaroni
Posts: 7
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:46 pm
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by tonymacaroni » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:46 am

I read this thread with quite some interest as although I had not been seeking permission to detect on council open spaces etc I had approached a chap recently who I thought was a farmer/landowner it turned out he was the tenant of a small local farm and he had no objection to metal detectorists but the landowner(the council) does so he could not allow it.
Having read this thread I wrote to the council and requested permission to detect on lands they owned that were not Heritage or SSSI protected etc.
I received the same ..we do not allow MD'ing from all,I wrote back requesting documented evidence either legislated or byelaw from all ....NONE of them can provide anything to date and I am being passed from one poor sod to another that still doesnt know.
This below is the longest non answer so far and although I requested the evidences as to why it still was not made aware to me.
Thank you for your enquiry.



Whilst we endeavour to allow as many diverse activities on our open spaces as we can, at present East Herts Council do not permit metal detecting on its land.



There are potential issues that surround the removal of artefacts and the damage that some irresponsible metal detectors can cause.



There is some advice from the National Council for Metal Detecting, http://www.ncmd.co.uk/



• A Code of Practice on Responsible Metal Detecting in England and Wales. This has been agreed by all key archaeological bodies and metal detecting and landowners’ organisations. It precisely defines responsible metal detecting and provides a clear and unambiguous definition of what constitutes good practice.

• The Portable Antiquities Scheme covering England and Wales written by The British Museum and their partners.



However, without considerable investigation, the Council cannot determine which sites might be appropriate and which are not. We would need to establish whether there might need to be different rules for each site and would need to adopt a clear policy that may need to be linked to a number of sites.

We have in the past refused metal detecting on our urban parks and will continue to do so. We would not encourage metal detecting on our more high profile sites or where we feel that digging would be detrimental to the appearance of the site. We also need to be careful not to allow this activity on any site that might have archaeological significance without obtaining permission from English Heritage. Whether there are open spaces within our ownership that would be suitable remains to be investigated.

There would need to be considerable work before developing a policy that might allow metal detecting at some locations and I regret that the Council at this time does not have the available resource to do so.

Thank you for your interest in visiting our open spaces and I hope that you will be able to find a way of pursuing your hobby elsewhere in the district. If you are interested in exploring the history of one of our historically significant parks we have been running some community based archaeological digs at Castle Park in Bishop’s Stortford with a professional team of archaeologists and will be running a similar project next year in Pishiobury Park. There is information for the former on our web site and in the local press. The latter will be promoted nearer the time.

Kind Regards

So basically any land that may be viable they simply cannot be bother to investigate...So I have today provided them with a number of sites that currently fall outside of what they deem to be protected along with map references and where applicable road names and identifying features etc,so basically their homework has been done for them.

I look forward to their reply so as I can take the matter up with our local MP as its clearly simply a pastime they are not interested in and cannot be bothered to provide for.

User avatar
sweepstick47
Moderator
Posts: 10005
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:21 pm
Location: North Lincolnshire
Has thanked: 1776 times
Been thanked: 2553 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by sweepstick47 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:33 am

Good work, A further response following your latest reply, will make for interesting reading.
Thanks for the update ::g Regards ss47
A disservice is no service at all.

jcmaloney
Posts: 2260
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:17 am
Has thanked: 751 times
Been thanked: 394 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by jcmaloney » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:31 pm

Long story short......

Our City Council byelaws were up for review. This is a statutory duty for all Councils but the process takes about 18 months!

I contacted our local Councillor who gave me the 6 dates for the "Open Spaces and Public Amenities Committee" meetings. They were "fun" ! (:|

After a few months a Public consultation was launched (Councils have to do so these days).
That consultation lasted 4 weeks. 36 people replied, 0.007% of the population!

However the 1 person who bothered to reply about detecting has now achieved the "impossible" !

As of August 2019 94 of 153 of the City councils parks/open spaces can now be detected.

Some parks are excluded as they contain SAM`s/SSSI`s etc however the rest are now "open"......


Unless someone b**** it up. ::g

County Council next................... :D :D
Opinions expressed on MY posts are mine and NOT those of any democratic organisation I volunteer for. ::g

User avatar
Wuntbedruv
Posts: 114
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:00 pm
Location: West Sussex
Has thanked: 51 times
Been thanked: 154 times

Re: Council Permission

Post by Wuntbedruv » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:38 pm

tonymacaroni wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:46 am

I look forward to their reply so as I can take the matter up with our local MP as its clearly simply a pastime they are not interested in and cannot be bothered to provide for.
Which is entirely their prerogative. They don't HAVE to provide for us.

Detecting is a privilege, not a right.

With miles of Crown estate beaches not requiring a permit and thousands of un-asked landowners across the country, I feel that this is a ditch we really shouldn't die in.
God gives all men all earth to love, but since man’s heart is small,
Ordains for each one spot shall prove beloved over all.
Each to his choice, and I rejoice, the lot has fallen to me
In a fair ground—in a fair ground—Yea, Sussex by the sea!

Post Reply

Return to “Permissions Forum”