100% to Landowner on permission contract?

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100% to Landowner on permission contract?

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So I got the contract back today for my first permission. I was presuming the landowner would put 50/50 split for the value of any finds above a certain amount. But he has put 100% to the landowner for the value of any finds above the total of £50. I am not too worried as my main reason is to discover finds to shed some light on my villages local history, but has anyone ever experienced this? I suppose its his land so whatever I find belongs to him! :-L
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I'd tell him where to get off!! ;;z


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Post by Starbuck »

I suppose at the end of the day its his land and getting the permission was a bonus. Although not having experienced this myself I can see your frustration as you'd think getting a 50/50 split is the norm. When presenting contracts I've usually prefilled the split terms already at 50/50.
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Personally I'd bite my tongue and walk away, while it should not be just about money you'd rightly expect something in the unlikely event of a major discovery, this has the potential for bad feeling and litigation written all over it.
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find anything over £50 rebury it ;[
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Post by GREGGOWREX »

YOU should of wrote the contract out and got him to sign it . . . abit late for that now tho
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GREGGOWREX wrote:YOU should of wrote the contract out and got him to sign it . . . abit late for that now tho
I'll put this down as a lesson learned. As it was permission by email I didn't want to come across pushy. I suppose I was just grateful for my first permission. This guy has lots more land so hopefully we can build up some trust and he'll accept a 50/50 next time. Just can't wait to get my detector and get searching :)
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The reason most agree to the unwritten rule of 50/50 is because without your detector and time then the landowner but would be none the wiser as to what is on his land.
You both bring something to the table, he brings the land and you bring the technology and time
Maybe he has put that to put you off going on his land.
Either way it is your call.
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What is the point?
I mean I know its fun to have land to detect on...blah blah blah...
And I know its also interesting to discover history...blah blah blah....
But he's taking the YouKnowWhat, surely?
Yes its his land. So if he wants 100% let him go buy a detector and find it himself, cheeky so and so.
If he had a sign on his gate saying...Detectorists Needed To Detect My Land. Only Minimum Reward Offered. ...would you detect it on that basis?
He is getting all the benefits of detecting his land without having to buy the expensive kit or put in the hours.
Imagine having that contract in place and finding a Staffs Hoard? What would you get? £50? You'd feel like a chump for the rest of your life.
I wonder how many Archies would survey a field for days on end for no pay? None.
Another important point is that in a way this sets a dangerous precedent and it could spread like a cancer to your other permissions. (and ours :-L ) Farmers talk to each other...and once you accepted this arrangement the others may well follow suit. Farmers are not noted for giving much away.
Certainly this bloke isn't.
I do feel very strongly about this. The 50/50 arrangement and close variants thereof are the norm for a reason. The arrangement (to use the term extremely loosely) that you have undertaken undermines this. :(
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Personally I think he's taking the p#!s ;;z You don't spend £100's on a detector & hours hunting in all weathers to give it all away. X(
Don't get me wrong you can't keep it all & 50/50 is fair split, as he's the land owner & feeds are addiction to our hobby. [:)

As he seems so greedy I would agree & only show him your trash & grots and hope you don't find a massive Horde........ :D

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I would hazard a guess, what ever you show him you find, deep down he will be thinking you have found other stuff more valuable and not showing him.
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I would have to agree with the majority of replies. You have spend good money on obtaining a machine to detect. The land owner hasn't however he has the land.. If you didn't buy the detector or he never had the land , nothing would be found. Its a "you scratch my back I'll scratch your ba ck" scenario. We all do it for the hunt and I fully understand that, but %100 of the find come on !!!! :( 50/50 or nothing . Forget this one bite your lip and move on mate. ;;z ;;z .

Everybody these days want's something for nothing !!! :-L
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Dirt-fishing wrote: If you are truly in it to discover the history of the land then do it for that reason... find the items, get them recorded and get your name logged against the PAS records... that should be enough of a reason to get out and hunt.
Do you have a collection of your best finds DF ? Surely you just throw them away when recorded ?

At the OP; either tell the landowner to detect the land himself, or just keep away.

Even the Coroners go on a 50/50 for treasure finds, so the precedent has been set.

Why some folk/detectorists usually newbies go running around with contracts just beggars belief.

I strongly suspect that the OP's landowner, seeing a written contract, has then 'deduced' there's treasure on my land ! c'
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littleboot wrote:What is the point?
I mean I know its fun to have land to detect on...blah blah blah...
And I know its also interesting to discover history...blah blah blah....
But he's taking the YouKnowWhat, surely?
Yes its his land. So if he wants 100% let him go buy a detector and find it himself, cheeky so and so.
If he had a sign on his gate saying...Detectorists Needed To Detect My Land. Only Minimum Reward Offered. ...would you detect it on that basis?
He is getting all the benefits of detecting his land without having to buy the expensive kit or put in the hours.
Imagine having that contract in place and finding a Staffs Hoard? What would you get? £50? You'd feel like a chump for the rest of your life.
I wonder how many Archies would survey a field for days on end for no pay? None.
Another important point is that in a way this sets a dangerous precedent and it could spread like a cancer to your other permissions. (and ours :-L ) Farmers talk to each other...and once you accepted this arrangement the others may well follow suit. Farmers are not noted for giving much away.
Certainly this bloke isn't.
I do feel very strongly about this. The 50/50 arrangement and close variants thereof are the norm for a reason. The arrangement (to use the term extremely loosely) that you have undertaken undermines this. :(

Thanks for the informative reply LittleBoot. Do you think it is worth asking him to change it to 50/50 and give him the reasons why? Or would you walk away now? Remember I haven't met this guy face to face yet so do you think we need to instill some trust before he offers me more percentage or do you think he is just taking the buscuit?
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Post by Rabray »

Colin you could go back face to face if your up for that mate. Explain its not about the money however you have outlaid on your machine. You understand it ain't your land but if it weren't for you it would never be found. Also tell him the likelihoods of finding the big goodies are pretty slim he'd be better off on the lotto. In your humble opinion 50/50 is fair split..Plz don't beg :)) . If you get the feeling it ain't going your way eat humble pie and politely decline and walk away mate leave it on good footing..

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