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Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:23 am

Hi folks, has anyone ever found bullets on Southport beach, if so, what type ?. Also, is there an official process you have to go through with the police for example if you do find any ?......and yes, I have found some, unfired blanks I think.



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Re: Southport beach

Post by stargazer » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:31 am

Southport beach ?

Crikey it's huge. Some fenced off near the park.

A dead loss in my opinion. It's totally different now than when I was last there in the 1960's, since being there in May 2018.
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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:58 am

I know it has changed a lot over the years. There is a lot of hot rocks and layers of oil tainted sand which creates very confusing signals. But I like hunting well away from the main populated areas and go further towards the sea and towards the sea grass areas at either end of the beach. Today was a total surprise finding bullet after bullet. I spoke to the lifeguard there and he had heard that bullets had been found much further up the beach, but not in a relatively central area.
I'm still pretty new to detecting, so can't wait to go back and maybe find items belonging to whoever dropped the bullets. A cap badge or uniform button would be nice.......either that or one of Red Rums horse shoes , lol. ;)
ps, will try and post photo asap.

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Re: Southport beach

Post by cp333 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:05 am

Every year during the Southport air show they do mock battles with beach landings helicopter assaults and use a lot of blank ammunition. ::g

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Re: Southport beach

Post by stargazer » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:07 am

Sir Henry Seagrave may have lost a half sovereign in his day ?

Good luck with it . ::g
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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:31 am

Aw, thanks for the heads up. When I clean them up tomorrow, I'll look up the bullet markings and get an idea on the age etc., still, it made for an exciting day which only got me more enthusiastic for the hobby, and avidly hunting that gold coin, lol :D

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Re: Southport beach

Post by fred » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:15 am

WINDSONG58 wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:31 am
Aw, thanks for the heads up. When I clean them up tomorrow, I'll look up the bullet markings and get an idea on the age etc., still, it made for an exciting day which only got me more enthusiastic for the hobby, and avidly hunting that gold coin, lol :D
Blanks are not illegal to possess. They can still be dangerous so if they are live be carefull with them! Lots of advice about ammunition by searching these forums. ::g
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Re: Southport beach

Post by Koala » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:05 am

Southport beach is a Site of Scientific Interest.


I have read the document. It doesn't mention metal detecting. It does mention bait digging saying it might damage it but again it doesn't ban it.


This was my interpretation when I checked about a year ago.


I would limit the depth I dug to no more than about 12" and neatly fill the holes. No point in giving people an excuse to ban detecting.


I don't regularly beach detect but I have detected on similar beaches. Normally the finds are sorted by weigh.


Take one example I have detected. Closes to land moving towards the sea.

Dry sand thigs drop straight down


Then onto the wet

303 fragments, cases and aluminium blobs
303 bullets
50 cal and 20 mm

Then a dead zone


More 50 Cal and larger items


But they are also sorted left to right


You have to find the right area.

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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:36 pm

Hi there, thanks for the advice. From the web searches I did before starting detecting, Southport beach between high tide and low tide is ok to dig, but the areas of green sea grass are wildlife areas and like the dunes further up the coast, are restricted (Formby especially). To be honest, I don't have the muscle to dig too deep, lol. I always refill the holes and although I stomp it down there is usually a slight mound left behind but chatting to a passing horse rider, she said that the mound is a good thing for them as they can see it and choose to avoid it.
The only sad part of the day was noticing the amount of oil contamination about 3-4 inches down.
The bullets are 5 x 6.8cm and marked L13A2 10 RG. And 15 x 5.4cm and marked LiA2 0.3 RG.
There doesn't seem to be any rifling marks but they are pretty beat up. Any info on them would be very welcome.
Happy digging !, cal ;-)x

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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:55 pm

Slight correction, it should be L1A2 0.3 RG and L13A2 10 RG

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Re: Southport beach

Post by jarrett » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:09 pm

Military designation and made at Radway Green,google up the L1 part and you should get the calibre and they are the cartridge case that is ejected when fired rather than the bullet which messes your day up.

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Re: Southport beach

Post by jarrett » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:11 pm

Should have said that even with blanks the cartridge case is still ejected,

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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:02 am

Hi folks, thank you for the advice and info, all very helpful so I can keep notes on the things I find. Reading through other posts on the forum, I phoned the local Police and they came around to take the bullets to destroy........Still can't believe my most successful day hunting happened and there is an empty space in my collection.....such as it is, lol, to show for it.
Oh well, those are the rules. I'm back on the beach on Wednesday but will go further out towards the shore line. Lets hope I can at least keep what I find this time, lol.
Happy digging,
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Re: Southport beach

Post by Koala » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 am

The foreshore is also protected for wadding birds


Like I said earlier as I read the documents detecting is fine but please dont take my word for it. The documents are here

https://designatedsites.naturalengland. ... e=S2000426


I see bait digging is now included but again I can't see metal detecting but I only had a quick skim through.

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Re: Southport beach

Post by jarrett » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:08 am

Look like fired blanks to me except possibly the 3rd from the right,you can hold blanks and put them in the scrap pile for weighing in!

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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:26 pm

Hi there,
Thanks for the info on the bullets. Almost all the bullets had pinched in tops, however some were also dented and slightly flattened at the tops. One was missing the pinched in top and one had the top breaking away. The policeman who came said they were all live dummies so I didn't argue the point. Just out of interest , what does a fired dummy look like ?. I sort of imagined if they were fired then the main body of the bullet would be hollow and open, but these are the first bullets I've found so have no experience to fall back on.
Best wishes to all and happy diggin'
cal ;-)x

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Re: Southport beach

Post by WINDSONG58 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:49 am

Koala wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 am
The foreshore is also protected for wadding birds


Like I said earlier as I read the documents detecting is fine but please dont take my word for it. The documents are here

https://designatedsites.naturalengland. ... e=S2000426


I see bait digging is now included but again I can't see metal detecting but I only had a quick skim through.
Thank you for the info, the map especially was very interesting and I will read the attached paperwork.
I can understand the restrictions and I avoid areas of greenery or dunes or where it is clearly attractive to birds feeding. ( I do like to spot their tracks and watch them feed from a distance, its one of the reasons I picked metal detecting, because it gets me out into nature). My guess as to why bait digging is added is because that removes the very thing the birds feed on. Taking rusting metal from the beach, and all the other scrap we regularly remove is in general a positive thing. I make a point of collecting plastic and other trash I find on my travels too. Especially glass. Broken glass on any beach is an accident waiting to happen. I do worry that there are some bad eggs in every basket, and I worry they will spoil it for us all, especially after the recent problems on the Scottish border.

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Re: Southport beach

Post by jarrett » Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:45 pm

Take a read of this article as it will give you an insight https://sites.google.com/site/britmilam ... -nato-ball
When firing blanks a bfa or blank fire adapter would be fitted to the end of the barrel to stop debris injuring people close by as various debris could be ejected without it,blanks when fired do not always open out a great deal and can appear to be unfired but the way i would tell is to look at the top and the primer which is the small round piece in the centre of the cartridge to see if it has been struck by the firing pin which the ones you are holding appear to be.
You cannot be too carefull with ordnance but i wonder from looking at your pictures if the officer also has a scrap collection!

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Re: Southport beach

Post by sweepstick47 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:40 pm

Quote; "and can appear to be unfired but the way i would tell is to look at the top and the primer which is the small round piece in the centre of the cartridge to see if it has been struck by the firing pin"

Thanks 'jarrett, ::g if I can just add:-

For reasons of safety, there is an important point that potential finders should be made aware of regarding the above, the existence of a 'firing-pin' strike on the primer area is not a sign that the round is either 'fired' or safe as it may be a blind/misfire. As such they still retain the propellant and are capable of causing very serious injury. They should therefore, be treated as and given the same consideration as all 'live rounds'. Stay safe guys. Regards ss47
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