Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

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Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:09 pm

I am getting more into beach detecting after buying a CTX 3030. I am really impressed with it's capabilities on wet sand/black sand.

However, I am finding that some of the objects the CTX is picking up are so deep in the wet sand, I can't manage to recover them with a shovel.

Will a 'sand scoop' offer me a real advantage on recovering these deep items?

What is your personal experience of sand scoop vs shovel? Are there any downsides to using a sand scoop, or is it 'all good' ?

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Easylife » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:02 pm

You need a long handled sand scoop to dig deep and quick before the hole caves in. ::g
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Rivers rat » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:06 pm

I love sand scoops i got 3 or 4 ,i got a CTX and i like to climb on the scoop to have it sinking to the max ,water comes out like geyser from the holes but its all fun i got a unbreakable shaft and you can dig deep with less effort than a spade(but it of course depends of the beach)


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by ScoopyDoo » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:11 am

Sand scoop = huge advantage!

As has already been said, a scoop is much better for digging wet sand.

For me personally though, as I have a bad back and knackered knees, the best thing about using a long handled scoop is that I never need to bend or crouch down. Just dig out the target, spread the spoil with your foot, pinpoint with your detector, and scoop up that area. Give that area a quick sweep to check the target is no longer there, which means you have it in your scoop, and Bob's your uncle! No hand-held pinpointer required, and no backache or creaking knees. ::g

Shoutout to WALLACE7084, as it was watching his technique with a scoop on his Youtube videos, that showed me it was possible to keep on beach detecting after my knees went. ::g
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Devon steve » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:29 am

+1 for a dams scoop but hey one with a long handle. I do just beach and bought a short dams scoop first but still had to get down. Bought the evolution and is spot on. Can dig a sizeable hole in just a few scoops. Be advised out will work out your forearm. Which is good as it will match the other arm lugging the CTX around lol.
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Resurgam » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:24 am

A long handled Evolution sand scoop was one of my best investments but unless you are digging in very dry sand, or in the water, don't expect the sand to run through the holes; you will have to tip out the contents onto the beach. ::g
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Junior » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:07 am

Evolution 360 scoop 2yrs on still going fine...Prob best money I've spent on beach detecting... £2.50 broom handle surprisingly still coping toooo ::g

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by fred » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:17 am

Must be horses for courses. I could never get the extremely deeep stuff with mine. :D
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by mrix » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:01 pm

For me personally when detecting the beach I would never leave home without one ::g
So much easier to sieve dry sand but at the same time can be used to cut down through the hard gravel or even use in shallow water B-)

Only downside is that they are so very heavy to lug around, especially mine as its got a stainless steel handle.

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Iced Tiger » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:10 pm

Bought mine of the well known auction site. Not a named make but it works well, made from stainless with an 800mm alloy handle. Just ordered some carbon tube to make a longer handle as I’m 6’4” and the short handle makes me stoop when digging.
It’s ideal for dry and wet sand and most gravel patches. Wet sand can be a bit of a chore as the finds tend to sink into the collapsing hole if your not quick enough. ::g
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Post by leslie(nova scotia) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:49 pm

I swear by my scoop which is upwards of 15 years old. Stainless steel is the "only" way to go. Good luck me son on your endeavors!

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:26 pm

Thanks for all the replies. I am still not sure yet if the sand scoop is the right option for me. The things are putting me off so far are the weight some posters mentioned (the CTX on its own is a 'sturdy monster.) Also, Fred's suggestion that it apparently didn't help him with the very deep targets (10 inches plus.)

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Thats the shaft u need:

https://erichunter-tools.co.uk/composite-handles.html


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by fred » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:17 pm

detectorman5050 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:26 pm
Thanks for all the replies. I am still not sure yet if the sand scoop is the right option for me. The things are putting me off so far are the weight some posters mentioned (the CTX on its own is a 'sturdy monster.) Also, Fred's suggestion that it apparently didn't help him with the very deep targets (10 inches plus.)

Cheers.
By deep I meant 16 to 18 inches or more! They'd probably work fine at 10 inches or a foot. ::g
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:34 pm

fred wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:17 pm
detectorman5050 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:26 pm
Thanks for all the replies. I am still not sure yet if the sand scoop is the right option for me. The things are putting me off so far are the weight some posters mentioned (the CTX on its own is a 'sturdy monster.) Also, Fred's suggestion that it apparently didn't help him with the very deep targets (10 inches plus.)

Cheers.
By deep I meant 16 to 18 inches or more! They'd probably work fine at 10 inches or a foot. ::g
Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll watch some beach detecting Youtube vids, and try work out if the scoop is for me.
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Sweep 88 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:11 pm

I bought the Evolution 360 stainless steel scoop, made my beach detecting more rewarding.Dig deep holes with ease and get the finds that would normally be out of reach.Old coins from 15 inches down. I also bought the straight shaft and mid point grip these are a must. :;@
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by stillair1 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:33 pm

I bought a small one and realised I needed a bigger version for the type of beach I was digging. Definitely an advantage if you digging where the tide fills in the hole. My tip is to use a neoprene type glove to avoid blisters.
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by skythepig » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 pm

Bought mine from a well known auction site from Mike Armstrong. Super strong, mid point handle and shifts a lot of sand/pebbles in one go.
Definitely won't go back to a normal spade. ::g
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Devon steve » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:32 pm

I was always sceptical of sand scoops because of the crazy prices. When I first started on the beach, not long ago, I was trying to make do with spade and trowel. Its not till you get get a sand scoop that you're like, wow! I've been using a sea hunter and that thing goes deep. With the evolution sand scoop and long handle you're 2 foot down in a couple of scoops. Most important bit of kit for beach work.
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by gixer08 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:12 pm

Rivers rat wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:41 pm
Thats the shaft u need:

https://erichunter-tools.co.uk/composite-handles.html


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Sirbleepsalot » Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:26 pm

Hi, although new to this I have learned the hard way. I do beaches only and started with a folding shovel with a screw together handle. Too small, folding bits/screw threads clog with sand and whole thing dismantled itself in use. eBay £25

Short handle spade from Wickes, too short, had to kneel or stoop so knackered knees and back. £8 or thereabouts. Handy size and cheap for the young/fit.

Monster ergonomic spade from Lidl, great to use but bulky and looks very imposing and a bit OTT as it looks like you mean business! £20

After research here and YouTube vids I today received an early birthday present from my wife, Evolution Pro Type R basket only, broom handle for starters. One of the more expensive but it's so highly thought of, and it looks fantastic, I didn't bother buying a cheaper one as I knew I'd end up with an Evo in the long run.

Bearing in mind I've already spent £50 or so on lesser items I would have been nearly half way to a decent scoop in any event. Out with scoop for 1st time tomorrow and I'll post an honest review soon. Depending on where I am I have a choice but envisage scoop and Wickes shorty as backup, Lidl monster in van just in case.

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by forest ferret » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:11 pm

Ordered an Evolution r type today :D , now deciding what shaft and where to buy...?
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:51 pm

forest ferret wrote:
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Ordered an Evolution r type today :D , now deciding what shaft and where to buy...?
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:17 am

The "Le borgne " shaft isn't straight like a broom handle i will try to take a pic tmw if i remember


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:50 am

Hi I am just putting this link for you to have a look at the shape:

https://www.truffaut.com/produit/manche ... 1166/25316

That's the one I am using plus I added a stainless steel handle to drag.

The shape is odd as you need a hammer to push the shaft into the socket of the scoop well on the evolution it is different.Once inside the socket drill a hole and secure it with a screw.

All together you will have a heavy tool but the handle will bend but wont break I usually jump on my scoop to sink it into the deep hole then grab the handle and slowly pull the 6 tons of wet sand :E :E :E :E

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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by sweepstick47 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:29 pm

Rivers rat wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:50 am
Hi I am just putting this link for you to have a look at the shape:

https://www.truffaut.com/produit/manche ... 1166/25316

That's the one I am using plus I added a stainless steel handle to drag.

The shape is odd as you need a hammer to push the shaft into the socket of the scoop well on the evolution it is different.Once inside the socket drill a hole and secure it with a screw.

All together you will have a heavy tool but the handle will bend but wont break I usually jump on my scoop to sink it into the deep hole then grab the handle and slowly pull the 6 tons of wet sand :E :E :E :E Hope it help RR
Would it not be advisable to use a bolt rather than a screw to attach the handle ::g
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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:06 pm

Please find enclosed some pics when you don't do what you are supposed to do :)) :)) :)) :)) :))


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by chip » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:21 pm

Rivers rat wrote:
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Please find enclosed some pics when you don't do what you are supposed to do :)) :)) :)) :)) :))


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:54 pm

That was my first shaft i used a rasp for hours to fit it inside the socket =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Well thinning the thing made it wicker......


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Re: Sand Scoop = Big Advantage?

Post by Resurgam » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:34 pm

Oops!
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