Sword found magnet fishing

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Sword found magnet fishing

Post by tomdavis2000 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:48 pm

Hi all, found this a few hours ago in the local canal under a bridge. I'm not entirely certain on date or of what particular type of weapon it really is. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards, Tom.
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by Verulamium » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:34 pm

Ornate fire poker..... ::g
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by sweepstick47 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:20 pm

The lack of any visibly identifiable Brass/Bronze in the handle construction leads me to agree with
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by f8met » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:04 am

If it was a sword I am not sure you would have the quillon and hand guard. May be a made up decorative or as said a poker.
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by fred » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:59 am

f8met wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:04 am
If it was a sword I am not sure you would have the quillon and hand guard. May be a made up decorative or as said a poker.
Great find. I can see the rusted remains of a perfectly credible handguard and quillion. It still might be a poker but the windings on the handle and the use of iron rather than brass makes me suspect that it could actually be real. Not nealy enough details to be sure or to work out the age with any confidence though. I would initially start at late Georgian or Victorian, possibly a decorative rapier, and assume that it had been lobbed in the canal a long time after it was made. ::g

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by f8met » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:05 am

Actually it looks similar to a 18th century cavalry sword. Have a look on google images. I do retract my previous post.
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by Koala » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:55 am

Wouldn't a poker have a round section blade ?

But the handle looks tiny in the hand ?

Hard to work out the length but if the table is 3/4 m then its less than 1/2 m and couldn't have been much longer.

The blade carries on from the handle with its binding so was never more than the thickness of a finger. Surely to weak for battle ?

Too large for an envelope opener. I would think ?

Decoration on a desk maybe or two crossed behind a shields. Don't really know.

What is more concerning is was it used in a crime and dumped. Not the sort of item to get accidentally lost in water and too modern even at 18C to be an offering.

All a mystery to me

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:09 pm

Look like a fencing sword to me I saw a few in flea markets in France.........just my 2p :))



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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:10 pm

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by amphora » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:51 pm

I wanted to say Rapier at first.
But the guard and ornaments are in a non logical order. This way you would only hurt your fingers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier.
That's why i too think its a replica or poker. But i hope i'm wrong.

Nice and exiting find. ::g
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by Koala » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:29 pm

Rivers rat wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:09 pm
Look like a fencing sword to me I saw a few in flea markets in France.........just my 2p :))



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Closest handle but wouldn't have a flat blade

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by jeap » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:51 pm

Could be Valerian steel.

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by Rivers rat » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:04 pm

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by liamnolan » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:23 pm

Ok, how much for the chairs and table? =)) Liam
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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by les-27 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:31 pm

Looks like a modern cheep Chinese sword like you see at markets could have been tossed in the canal deliberately to hide it

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by knotalot » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:14 pm

Hi/
Sword, poker, toasting fork or tourist piece i will keep a open mind but this is close to the design of the beast :-/
http://getasword.com/swords-medieval-we ... h2325.html

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Re: Sword found magnet fishing

Post by dan1993 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:54 pm

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