Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

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Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sat May 18, 2019 6:20 pm

Im not sure if ive come to the right forum, but im assuming these are found on a regular basis.

Before asking here, ive bought a few books and looked online, but cant find anything like it, I can only find barbed or twin point, but cant find both, like the example I present.

Any help appreciated, best I can come up with is medieval hunting crossbow bolt

Sorry, only have the one picture.

It was not found by me, im just a guy picking up info, but hoping to get into it as I also collect meteorites.

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Bors » Sat May 18, 2019 6:33 pm

I`m not an expert on Arrowheads or Crossbow bolt heads by any stretch of the imagination but, that appears to be completely Hollow. The barbs are ,from what I can see and the bit that goes onto the Shaft of whatever it is. I`ve never seen any crossbow head or arrowhead with Hollow barbs , OR a tip which is in a crossed position. A projectile fired at speed would do little stopping power if it was hollow , as it would collapse on initial impact.
Tips of penetrating projectiles are normally highly pointed and that cross part seems to be defying the reason for it to be pointed. So all in all although it gives the appearance of an Arrowhead or crossbow head, my thinking is it isn`t one. But I would stand corrected if I`m proven wrong.
Maybe its just the way it looks or the photo isn`t showing it correctly?

Can you confirm if those barbs are hollow please ?
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sat May 18, 2019 6:44 pm

Hello, thanks for the reply.

Wish I had better pictures!,

Im assuming its some type of arrowhead, but we know where assumption can get you.

The only thing I can find with a tip like that is a "rope cutter", type, but still a long way off.

Nothing in any arms books that I have.

Not sure if they are hollow, as I don't have it yet. Just a cheap curiosity.

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Bors » Sat May 18, 2019 6:46 pm

This bit here looks hollow
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Bors » Sat May 18, 2019 6:55 pm

Myself I`ve never heard of a "rope cutter" but that`s not to say there wasn`t such a style. You`d have to be extremely Accurate bowman to hit a piece of Rope . My thoughts are speculation and who knows someone could come along in minutes and say yes it's definitely a
***** arrowhead. Let's see, but its certainly a new one on me.
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sat May 18, 2019 6:56 pm

I see what you mean. Will find out, cheers

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Bors » Sat May 18, 2019 7:00 pm

It intriguing to say the least,and to be fair it DOES look like an arrowhead of sorts ,and I`d be very interested if someone can pin it down on a positive ID.
Fred might know ?
I`ve just done some Googling and these are the only types of "Rope cutting" arrow heads I can find.
So! there was such an arrowhead , but whether yours is I don`t know, as what purpose would the Barbs be for, on a rope cutter ?
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sat May 18, 2019 7:16 pm

I think the term "rope cutter" is just a term that's used for that kind of tip.

Will let you know if its hollow, but I doubt it is.

I see a cut in the plate where it might be joined to a shaft.

A strange one

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Bors » Sat May 18, 2019 7:30 pm

I`m just trying to think of a " specific purpose " for that type of Tip. :-/
Yes I can see where the Shaft would have entered into it,but its one I`ve never ever seen before with a slightly crossed tip..Because that is a small crossed bit, nothing like the bigger ones in the photo I put up which are more Crescent-shaped. Maybe the tip has lost some metal through rusting away and it's now reduced to as it is ? The Barbs are puzzling me though.

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by fred » Sat May 18, 2019 7:52 pm

I have no idea what it is. :D

Given that it is incomplete it looks a bit big for an arrowhead to me though. The problem is that traditions in other countries are very different so it might be a spear head of some sort but could equally be a tool. ::g
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sat May 18, 2019 8:01 pm

I found this in a book, this isn't described as a rope cutter, but twin point.

File to large, will add tomorrow,

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Muddyknee » Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 pm

Fishing arrowhead?
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Phil2401 » Sat May 18, 2019 9:31 pm

Doesn't the book say what it is? And is it related to metal detecting finds?

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Phil2401 » Sat May 18, 2019 10:01 pm

More likely the tip of some sort of ceremonial staff rather than a practical weapon? As Fred says, size too big for an arrowhead, but maybe spear-sized. It would definitely hurt if somebody poked you with it, but since there is no point on the head it wouldn't penetrate very far without considerable force being applied and it probably wouldn't disable the victim long enough to stop them retaliating. If you did manage by superhuman force to insert the thing into your victim fully, the barbs would stop you pulling it out quickly, leaving yourself vulnerable to attack in a battle situation. I'm no military expert, but to me this is not a good design for a weapon.

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sun May 19, 2019 11:33 am

Thanks for the replies!

Ive added a pic of a Viking arrowhead with a twin point, I suppose when first made they would have been sharp enough to penetrate, they are described as hunting arrowheads. Apparently found throughout Europe.

It was found via metal detector, so I assumed it would be a good place to look for info as this is a European site?. I would have thought many similar would have been dug up and documented, but guess im wrong maybe.

Thanks all, I will try an arms forum too. Appreciate the input.

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sun May 19, 2019 11:42 am

File size too big again, sorry, very similar tip though

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by WVAM » Sun May 19, 2019 12:49 pm

Not sure it is an arrowhead but the size is OK. Arrowheads recorded up to 100mm in length, then you have crossbow bolt heads at 100mm and I presume the arbalest and ballista could have fired some heavy stuff.
Probably worth having it checked out

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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by fred » Sun May 19, 2019 2:33 pm

WVAM wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 12:49 pm
Not sure it is an arrowhead but the size is OK. Arrowheads recorded up to 100mm in length, then you have crossbow bolt heads at 100mm and I presume the arbalest and ballista could have fired some heavy stuff.
Probably worth having it checked out

Given that there is quite a lot of it rusted away and missing I suggest that the original size was far bigger than it is now. Just for a start the socket is far too short to hold a shaft very solid. I am certain that it is a spear but I may have a bit of an advantage because I think that I have a complete one. It was found many years ago when most FLOs were just a gleam in their father's eye and the computers, let alone the PAS database, weren't available for ordinary mortals.

It was never properly identified but I think that it is a stabbing spear. The idea was that the front barb was to stop the business end going in further than was strictly necessary and, if the initial thrust missed, the barb would still inflict a nasty wound or perhaps snag on clothing to stop the opponent getting too close. The back barb was to deter anybody trying to hang on to the shaft in the heat of battle. The spear shape itself looks Saxon but the shape didn't change for many centuries and the barbs look more Medieval to me, but it could even be Colonial. Basically I haven't a clue how old it is. :))
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Re: Arrowhead/bolt found in Serbia

Post by Ronin » Sun May 19, 2019 2:54 pm

Thanks Fred, very enlightening!

Ive posted on an arms forum too, so hopefully it will pull a date up too.

Thanks all, really appreciate you taking the time

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