Not metal finds, but interesting???

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Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:33 pm

Other than a few bullets, today was very sparse in terms of metal finds. The field is ploughed, but is riddled with iron and modern refuse.

I did find these items though, and am hoping you could help me shine some light on what they are. :) maybe an arrow head??

Thank you!!
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by thefiggis » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:35 pm

Ah, what? I'd kill to find a flint arrowhead like that.

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm

That’s a beautiful arrow head l;. Nice one Emily, one for the FLO ::g
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Bargeman » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:37 pm

Wow that arrow head is a dream find, well done ::g


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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:39 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm
That’s a beautiful arrow head l;. Nice one Emily, one for the FLO ::g
What does FLO mean?? Haha.

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:40 pm

Does anyone know a possible date for the arrowhead??

The field is riddled with flint, which I don’t think is native to Oxfordshire, so I’ve just been picking it up as I’ve found it.

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Bargeman » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:41 pm

Finds liaison officer....

Oxfordshire is Annie Byard ::g


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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:39 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm
That’s a beautiful arrow head l;. Nice one Emily, one for the FLO ::g
What does FLO mean?? Haha.
Bargeman has already answered your question perfectly but this link might help you and others for terms you don’t understand

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by PeakDetectorist » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:44 pm

Wow the flint arrow head is amazing. I would love to find that. I am no expert but I know it will definitely be at least a few thousand years old!!
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Me and my boy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:47 pm

That arrow heads lovely. I think it’s is an early Bronze Age, tanged from about 4000 years ago.
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by sweepstick47 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:00 pm

Hello 'Emily' Firstly, I congratulate you on recognising your find was more than just a piece of flint - not always easy if the 'tang/barb' is obscured from view!::g

I can only add to this, by agreeing with the many positive replies to your post. ::g
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:06 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:42 pm
Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:39 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm
That’s a beautiful arrow head l;. Nice one Emily, one for the FLO ::g
What does FLO mean?? Haha.
Bargeman has already answered your question perfectly but this link might help you and others for terms you don’t understand

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24899
Strange question, but do the finds liaison officers take finds for historical interest??

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:10 pm

Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:06 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:42 pm
Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:39 pm


What does FLO mean?? Haha.
Bargeman has already answered your question perfectly but this link might help you and others for terms you don’t understand

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24899
Strange question, but do the finds liaison officers take finds for historical interest??
Of course they do ::g Here’s a link to the description of the type of things they record. And a great resource for your research :D https://finds.org.uk/getinvolved/faq
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by cantona1 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:23 pm

Just, WOW!!

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:25 pm

Does anyone have any idea what the brown circle thing is (it could be preserved skin/leather)
or the possible fossil?? I can’t tell if it is actually a fossil, or maybe something ancient that’s been carved into it...

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by oldartefact » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:32 pm

I am thinking the same myself Emily, a fossil would not be pliable.. so if it feels like leather then it probably is.
Think that the 2nd item maybe a tooth/bone/tusk ... is it stone? Is the find area close to a source of carboniferous limestone?
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:36 pm

Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:25 pm
Does anyone have any idea what the brown circle thing is (it could be preserved skin/leather)
or the possible fossil?? I can’t tell if it is actually a fossil, or maybe something ancient that’s been carved into it...
Maybe put up some more pics tomorrow photographed in natural light :-/ It might help :D
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Saffron » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:48 am

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:10 pm
Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:06 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:42 pm


Bargeman has already answered your question perfectly but this link might help you and others for terms you don’t understand

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24899
Strange question, but do the finds liaison officers take finds for historical interest??
Of course they do ::g Here’s a link to the description of the type of things they record. And a great resource for your research :D https://finds.org.uk/getinvolved/faq

Emily,
to ensure there is no confusion here regarding the word "take".
The FLO "takes" the item and records it on the PAS, he then returns it to you. [Assuming its not declared as treasure trove, which is a very different process to your normal items and has been well documented recently.]

Here is another good page describing what a FLO does https://finds.org.uk/getinvolved/guides/pressures

They are interested in a wide range of items, not just metal, so could well be interested in your flint items if they appear to be things like axes, cutters, scrapers.

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by fred » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:12 am

Very nice arrowhead. I have never found a tanged one like that. ::g
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by shaggybfc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:38 am

Great Arrow head ::g ::g
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Dom » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:06 am

Brilliant find!
Almost completely intact. I never tried napping but I can imagine the skill in making one of those.

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Quoin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:51 am

Pic 1 looks like a bit of modern faux leather. Pic 2 could be something petrified. Pic 3 looks like a bit of post medieval green glaze pottery. Pic 4 is a Bronze Age barbed and tanged flint arrowhead which is about 4500 years old.

Next time you go on that field keep your eyes open for interesting rocks that might be fossils and gen up on flint tools like scrapers, anything that looks like it's been knapped.

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Rhumours » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:39 am

Without having it in your hand you cannot feel weights so it's hard but from the pics it looks like pic 2 is a piece of bone. Worn through the surface layer and into the marrow cavity. The connective bone structure doesn't look like human and is long tubular ... birds bones grow in this way to keep them light. But there is an easy way to tell. Just warm it up in your hand for a bit and smell it. It will small quite distinctive.

Pic 1 looks like the inside surface of a skull layer. There are several layers which are membranous and wouldn't be hard but who knows what happens when exposed to earth. I'd imagine they may preserve. But again without it in hand but it could leather as suggested. Again you might be able.to raise that distinctive leather smell by warming it.

Lovely find on the arrow head. I'd be back there now lol.
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:47 am

Quoin wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:51 am
Pic 1 looks like a bit of modern faux leather. Pic 2 could be something petrified. Pic 3 looks like a bit of post medieval green glaze pottery. Pic 4 is a Bronze Age barbed and tanged flint arrowhead which is about 4500 years old.

Next time you go on that field keep your eyes open for interesting rocks that might be fossils and gen up on flint tools like scrapers, anything that looks like it's been knapped.
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:48 am

Rhumours wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:39 am
Without having it in your hand you cannot feel weights so it's hard but from the pics it looks like pic 2 is a piece of bone. Worn through the surface layer and into the marrow cavity. The connective bone structure doesn't look like human and is long tubular ... birds bones grow in this way to keep them light. But there is an easy way to tell. Just warm it up in your hand for a bit and smell it. It will small quite distinctive.

Pic 1 looks like the inside surface of a skull layer. There are several layers which are membranous and wouldn't be hard but who knows what happens when exposed to earth. I'd imagine they may preserve. But again without it in hand but it could leather as suggested. Again you might be able.to raise that distinctive leather smell by warming it.

Lovely find on the arrow head. I'd be back there now lol.
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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:49 am

Quoin wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:51 am
Pic 1 looks like a bit of modern faux leather. Pic 2 could be something petrified. Pic 3 looks like a bit of post medieval green glaze pottery. Pic 4 is a Bronze Age barbed and tanged flint arrowhead which is about 4500 years old.

Next time you go on that field keep your eyes open for interesting rocks that might be fossils and gen up on flint tools like scrapers, anything that looks like it's been knapped.
I’ve added updated daylight photos :)

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:49 am

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:36 pm
Emily wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:25 pm
Does anyone have any idea what the brown circle thing is (it could be preserved skin/leather)
or the possible fossil?? I can’t tell if it is actually a fossil, or maybe something ancient that’s been carved into it...
Maybe put up some more pics tomorrow photographed in natural light :-/ It might help :D
I’ve added updated daylight photos :)

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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:52 am

Bargeman wrote:
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Wow that arrow head is a dream find, well done ::g


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Re: Not metal finds, but interesting???

Post by Emily » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:53 am

fred wrote:
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Very nice arrowhead. I have never found a tanged one like that. ::g
I’ve added updated daylight photos :)

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