Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

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Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:16 pm

Hi all!

Today I was out doing my other hobby/job Photography and I was at an iron age hill fort photographing Deer.

I noticed that inside the centre of the fort they have cleared some plantation next to the paths and being a detectorist I had a little look around and this was sticking out of the soil.

As soon as I picked it up I thought it could be celtic ring money and after searching it the size look and everything seems right, what do you think?

It is miles away from any civilization except the odd brave dog walker but it's very muddy that far.

Doe anybody else find that you walk around looking at the floor to see what you can find? even my 6 year old boy does it looking everywhere for money and he found 6 coins over the weekend including 20p, 10p, 3x1p's and a 2p!

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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by Koala » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:40 pm

Nope

A normal type of ring that turn up everywhere with many uses

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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by Lowland » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:52 pm

Just to Cheer you up..
I have seen rings like these used as part of sword belt set ups
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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:03 pm

Strange if it isn't as the location to me would swing it to being, it's nowhere near any farmland or anything and celtic ring money ranges from 1-4cm's and the examples I have seen online are identical.

Sometimes you just want something to be something that it may not be lol.

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Post by Lowland » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm

Given the location
It is worth getting it looked at to be sure
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Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:26 pm

Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Given the location
It is worth getting it looked at to be sure
::g
Thanks I may just do that, something inside is just telling me it is. It's not magnetic so not iron and it is crudely shaped but not due to wear as there is a cast line inside that hasn't worn.

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Post by Lowland » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:31 pm

ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:26 pm
Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Given the location
It is worth getting it looked at to be sure
::g
Thanks I may just do that, something inside is just telling me it is. It's not magnetic so not iron and it is crudely shaped but not due to wear as there is a cast line inside that hasn't worn.
Funny..if it was from horse tack or a sword assemblage you would think there might be wear to the inside...
It does look a good bit wonkier than the ones I find for sure..
I hope it is ring money... try putting it in your account at the bank
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Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:37 pm

Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:31 pm
ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:26 pm
Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Given the location
It is worth getting it looked at to be sure
::g
Thanks I may just do that, something inside is just telling me it is. It's not magnetic so not iron and it is crudely shaped but not due to wear as there is a cast line inside that hasn't worn.
Funny..if it was from horse tack or a sword assemblage you would think there might be wear to the inside...
It does look a good bit wonkier than the ones I find for sure..
I hope it is ring money... try putting it in your account at the bank
::g
hahaha I wonder how much it was back then in today's money (if it is), the odd shape matches FLO ID'd celtic ring money that I have seen but I don't want to get my hopes up.

I will contact my FLO.

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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by Lowland » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm

ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:37 pm
Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:31 pm
ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:26 pm


Thanks I may just do that, something inside is just telling me it is. It's not magnetic so not iron and it is crudely shaped but not due to wear as there is a cast line inside that hasn't worn.
Funny..if it was from horse tack or a sword assemblage you would think there might be wear to the inside...
It does look a good bit wonkier than the ones I find for sure..
I hope it is ring money... try putting it in your account at the bank
::g
hahaha I wonder how much it was back then in today's money (if it is), the odd shape matches FLO ID'd celtic ring money that I have seen but I don't want to get my hopes up.

I will contact my FLO.
Can’t hurt at all
If it’s not-it’ll look good on your key ring
If it is-best find to date?
One point-good on you for having a nosy at the exposed ground
Heard a verifiable story about a medieval ring
Picked off the top of a molehill
on some old castle earthworks..
By a dog walker.
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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:45 pm

Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm
ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:37 pm
Lowland wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:31 pm


Funny..if it was from horse tack or a sword assemblage you would think there might be wear to the inside...
It does look a good bit wonkier than the ones I find for sure..
I hope it is ring money... try putting it in your account at the bank
::g
hahaha I wonder how much it was back then in today's money (if it is), the odd shape matches FLO ID'd celtic ring money that I have seen but I don't want to get my hopes up.

I will contact my FLO.
Can’t hurt at all
If it’s not-it’ll look good on your key ring
If it is-best find to date?
One point-good on you for having a nosy at the exposed ground
Heard a verifiable story about a medieval ring
Picked off the top of a molehill
on some old castle earthworks..
By a dog walker.
:-O
I was amazed to see it, it must of been a good few inches underground as still half under and the top had been taken off a few inches by forestry.

It's funny whenever I am out detecting I seem to see things I would love to photograph (wildlife) but don't have camera so fitting to find something the other way round.

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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by Steve_T » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Interesting to see what it turns out to be when the FLO has had a look ::g ::g

As for the camera you may need to get a manservant to carry it for you like "thefiggis" has to carry all his belongings

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Post by Quoin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:46 pm

I don't think these copper alloy rings were used as money,. Just strap fittings. Gold ones from the Bronze Age probably were though. Yours looks unusually corroded. Possibly by chemicals used in forestry.
If the site is scheduled you might have an issue.

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Post by Mancave-man » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:06 pm

It sadly looks like a bog standard horse harness fitting. Sorry.

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Post by The baron » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:22 pm

Could it be one of those new fangled “bitcoins” they keep getting lost.

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Post by Lowland » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:27 pm

Good little write up about ring money -
What is Celtic ring money?
On
Theoldcurrencyexchange.com

Mentions the fact that large numbers of bronze rings have been found
In hoards.
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Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:45 pm

Steve_T wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm
Interesting to see what it turns out to be when the FLO has had a look ::g ::g

As for the camera you may need to get a manservant to carry it for you like "thefiggis" has to carry all his belongings

Regards Steve
Now that sounds like a great idea lol.

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Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:46 pm

Quoin wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:46 pm
I don't think these copper alloy rings were used as money,. Just strap fittings. Gold ones from the Bronze Age probably were though. Yours looks unusually corroded. Possibly by chemicals used in forestry.
If the site is scheduled you might have an issue.
I have seen it written somewhere that they used bronze and copper, why would I have a problem if scheduled? I merely picked it up off the ground.

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Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:47 pm

Mancave-man wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:06 pm
It sadly looks like a bog standard horse harness fitting. Sorry.
Doesn't all ring money? I searched a lot and they all look the same in pretty much every way.

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Post by ashjacko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:47 pm

The baron wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:22 pm
Could it be one of those new fangled “bitcoins” they keep getting lost.
I wish! they are actually worth money lol.

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Post by Lowland » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:48 pm

ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:46 pm
Quoin wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:46 pm
I don't think these copper alloy rings were used as money,. Just strap fittings. Gold ones from the Bronze Age probably were though. Yours looks unusually corroded. Possibly by chemicals used in forestry.
If the site is scheduled you might have an issue.
I have seen it written somewhere that they used bronze and copper, why would I have a problem if scheduled? I merely picked it up off the ground.
Think the forestry crew would have a bigger problem
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Post by Quoin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:00 pm

ashjacko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:46 pm
Quoin wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:46 pm
I don't think these copper alloy rings were used as money,. Just strap fittings. Gold ones from the Bronze Age probably were though. Yours looks unusually corroded. Possibly by chemicals used in forestry.
If the site is scheduled you might have an issue.
I have seen it written somewhere that they used bronze and copper, why would I have a problem if scheduled? I merely picked it up off the ground.
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Post by fred » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:04 pm

That doesn't really look like ring money to me. :D
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Re: Ring Money? (Eyes Only)

Post by thefiggis » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:09 pm

Steve_T wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm
As for the camera you may need to get a manservant to carry it for you like "thefiggis" has to carry all his belongings

Regards Steve
Not all of them, old chap (most is loaded onto Great Aunt). Just the Deuses and the gins and god help him if he spills any.

On ring money, Fred's spot on. Any detectorist is going to find hundreds of these things and while some of them might be very old they're almost always horse tack-related. There are quite a few, shall we say, "enterprising" individuals who quite happily flog them off as ring money when in actual fact they fell off a nag years ago.
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Post by fred » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:19 pm

thefiggis wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:09 pm
Steve_T wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm
As for the camera you may need to get a manservant to carry it for you like "thefiggis" has to carry all his belongings

Regards Steve
Not all of them, old chap (most is loaded onto Great Aunt). Just the Deuses and the gins and god help him if he spills any.

On ring money, Fred's spot on. Any detectorist is going to find hundreds of these things and while some of them might be very old they're almost always horse tack-related. There are quite a few, shall we say, "enterprising" individuals who quite happily flog them off as ring money when in actual fact they fell off a nag years ago.
For clarification I deleted my post as it was a bit brutal in it's realism. thefiggis has summarised my view far more kindly. :D
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Post by chrisbham » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:21 pm

thefiggis wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:09 pm
Steve_T wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm
As for the camera you may need to get a manservant to carry it for you like "thefiggis" has to carry all his belongings

Regards Steve
Not all of them, old chap (most is loaded onto Great Aunt). Just the Deuses and the gins and god help him if he spills any.

On ring money, Fred's spot on. Any detectorist is going to find hundreds of these things and while some of them might be very old they're almost always horse tack-related. There are quite a few, shall we say, "enterprising" individuals who quite happily flog them off as ring money when in actual fact they fell off a nag years ago.
I've only been detecting less than a year and I easily have a dozen that look like this and you always imagine it's something special like ring money, but last time I shown them my FLO she said although 99% are horse related they're still just as likely to be curtain rings than ring money. Really, I suspect only the chunky gold rings with the tab missing are the only ones you can really be certain with.

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Post by Rhumours » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:45 pm

Or another theory

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apparently
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Post by thefiggis » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:57 pm

Yes, I've seen that idea and it certainly makes sense for some of the rings. Basically, there are a multitude of purposes these things could have had but just about every one I've found has been round in section and clearly off horse tack. One or two of the flatter-sectioned rings I've found, however, were more likely from something else.

But whatever, they certainly didn't fall out of a Celt's purse!
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Post by Rhumours » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:03 pm

... and you know at first pass horse tack buckle this that and the other does seem totally plausible. Obvious even. But when you break it down it isn't ....

The ring for instance ... to make one you have various options.

Black smithing - no easy task. Lot of work involved making something round and round in cross section too. And with no join to boot. .. even harder. Horned anvil required or small mandrel. Hmm lot of work. And terribly unreliable as a securing mechanism particularly under load. Rope has to be spliced onto it and that takes an age even in experienced hands. Or whipping it on. But thats weak under load.

Casting. Much less time consuming initially and then lots of waste cleaning it up. Wasted material for the sprus etc. Still rubbish securing things and issues.

Coiling wire round a pole ... then cutting through in a line. Gives you numerous uniform rings ... that need joining to make them of any use under load.

I guess that's why the buckle came along.
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Post by ashjacko » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:18 am

Rhumours wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:03 pm
... and you know at first pass horse tack buckle this that and the other does seem totally plausible. Obvious even. But when you break it down it isn't ....

The ring for instance ... to make one you have various options.

Black smithing - no easy task. Lot of work involved making something round and round in cross section too. And with no join to boot. .. even harder. Horned anvil required or small mandrel. Hmm lot of work. And terribly unreliable as a securing mechanism particularly under load. Rope has to be spliced onto it and that takes an age even in experienced hands. Or whipping it on. But thats weak under load.

Casting. Much less time consuming initially and then lots of waste cleaning it up. Wasted material for the sprus etc. Still rubbish securing things and issues.

Coiling wire round a pole ... then cutting through in a line. Gives you numerous uniform rings ... that need joining to make them of any use under load.

I guess that's why the buckle came along.
Not sure what your outcome was at the end of that lol.

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Post by Rhumours » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:29 am

Simply that many things seem to be quickly lumped in as horse tack .... whether they are or not is open for debate. Particularly when you explore the effort that went into making them. So would they have gone to all that effort for something apparently easily lost ... and lost by the bucket load .... per field ... apparently. Not so sure myself.
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