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fob seal

Post by KGB » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:33 pm

found this seal on a club dig recently and having trouble finding out anything about it. using the Equinox for only the second time. it was in field 2 basic settings , nice clear signal reading 20. only 3 inches down in a dusty pea field. it weighs 20.69g.
thanks for any help..

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Re: fob seal

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:38 pm

Wow I cannot describe how utterly jealous I am. That is a truly stunning seal ::g

Watching this one with interest.
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Re: fob seal

Post by SuperRed » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:43 pm

Oh my... Detecting heaven!!! ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by chip » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:44 pm

That is very,very nice.
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Re: fob seal

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:46 pm

Forgot to ask, please can you share the nearest big town to where you found this? It might be important to getting an ID. But do not give away too much detail on the find spot ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:54 pm

So an angel, holding a shield. The shield has fleur de lis, birds and then another row of fleur de lis. Can’t make out the writing.

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Re: fob seal

Post by Sir Upanotch » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:57 pm

Very jealous too. However Iv'e decided to find one tomorrow.

Brilliant find well done. ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by chip » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:59 pm

amr321golf wrote:
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Very jealous too. However Iv'e decided to find one tomorrow.

Brilliant find well done. ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by Koala » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:16 pm

Looks like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Sixtus_III


But could be miles out

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Re: fob seal

Post by Koala » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 pm

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Looks like "sxtus ii" but missing an "I" ?
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Re: fob seal

Post by Koala » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:29 pm

Nope I think I am miles out.


Try and get a photo of the in high contrast lighting. Gives a sharper image than an impression. Easy to reverse


Very very nice seal by the way

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Re: fob seal

Post by KGB » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:31 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:46 pm
Forgot to ask, please can you share the nearest big town to where you found this? It might be important to getting an ID. But do not give away too much detail on the find spot ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by KGB » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:34 pm

Koala wrote:
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Nope I think I am miles out.


Try and get a photo of the in high contrast lighting. Gives a sharper image than an impression. Easy to reverse


Very very nice seal by the way
only got the camera on my phone sorry. and thanks.
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Re: fob seal

Post by Easylife » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:41 pm

What a great find. ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by stjimmy1980 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:43 pm

This is why we do this hobby, beautiful ! well saved sir
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Re: fob seal

Post by Ladybird66 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:49 pm

That is a truly great find. Hope someone can help with I.d.

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Re: fob seal

Post by CTX_Phil » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:05 pm

Looks medieval, c. 14th century. Defiantly not an "off the shelf" design so probably belonged to someone with some status. Certainly something you should get recorded 👍

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Re: fob seal

Post by SuperRed » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:55 pm

CTX_Phil wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:05 pm
Looks medieval, c. 14th century. Defiantly not an "off the shelf" design so probably belonged to someone with some status. Certainly something you should get recorded 👍
I would have thought a similar date. Has there been a monastery or similar anywhere close by?
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Re: fob seal

Post by Koala » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:14 am

Looks like it starts S+ for seal of


Surprised I couldn't find a family crest with the same shield

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Re: fob seal

Post by Bencal » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:10 am

That`s a fantastic find sir. well done ::g

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Re: fob seal

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:44 am

A list of medieval names might help

http://www.infernaldreams.com/names/Eur ... ngland.htm
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Re: fob seal

Post by Lolly » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:35 pm

Hi

Very interesting find indeed, looking at the birds on the shield could they be Martlets ? ( footless Swallows) a symbol of 4th son ( mark of difference) may signify one who has to subsist by virtue and merit,not inheritance.

Have looked at many sites and cannot getting anything close to shield design.

have a look on www.heraldica.org/topics/martlet.htm, sorry my copy and paste is not working, so hope link works for you.

Another idea - could Angel be some sort of representation to do with St Joseph ( 'Joseph's Dream' by Rembrandt)


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Re: fob seal

Post by CTX_Phil » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:51 pm

I assumed the birds were martlets too and the only armorial I could find that's similar is of James Devereux Hustler but he was around in completely the wrong period! Maybe a seal of someone in his family's distant past but probably not ;;z

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Post by Easylife » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:43 pm

These birds look to have long slender beaks, unlike martlets. Perhaps some type of waterbird ? x;
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Re: fob seal

Post by shaggybfc » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:07 pm

I do like this, very interesting. First section looks like S+ (letter with a bar over it, maybe an M followed by a letter then II for second) the section section could be Hill? Other than that, I’m out. Well recovered and one for the FLO.
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Re: fob seal

Post by KGB » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 pm

thanks everyone for the reply`s. it`s a hard one to I.D. i`ll email the FLO again see if i can get an answer..
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Re: fob seal

Post by BAMBAM » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:06 pm

I want one ... well done!!
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Re: fob seal

Post by KGB » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:51 pm

emailed 2 FLO`s now but still no reply yet . so no closer to an I.D.
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Re: fob seal

Post by Spooky » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:36 pm

Exciting find.. love these finds that generate so many questions and possible answers too ! ::g
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Re: fob seal

Post by KGB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:40 pm

got this off the FLO today.

Hi Kevin,



I ran the seal past a colleague of mine who is good with these things. He replied:



I make it S’ fris [with contraction mark over the i for the missing -atr- ] petri. clu/uere

S[eal] of Brother Peter Culver

The last name – if it is a name [ it might always be his occupation/office within some monastic establishment] I’m pretty sure is to be read

Cluuere which makes no sense to me as it stands! 2 possibilities suggest themselves:

1. If we allow the engraver got a bit carried away, then the surname Cluer is a possibility.

2. Bearing in mind that the 2nd -u- might stand for ‘v’ – then it would be cluvere

In its turn, cluver might easily be a metathesised form of the surname Culver

contemporary attestations:

Cluer [in origin French, occupational, < clou-eur, ‘nailer, nail-maker’]
DBS – s.n. Clower – gives William le Cloer Somerset 1201; Stephen le cloer London 1292;

Culver [OE, ME = ‘dove’]
Thomas Colvere 1221 Worcs [OES]
John Culuare 1327 Glos [MED]

I think Culver is far more likely than Cluer
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