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Georgian trade weight

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:47 am
by Curtains dave
Any help on this would be great.
The diameter is 4 cms.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:53 am
by Blackadder43
Hiya Dave
At first i thought a coin weight but the first picture doesnt back that up really, hopefully someone will be along soon with an answer

With the scale, sometimes it is better if you can put a visual scale on your photos, its easier to see than try and work out in your head the size
This topic here is very handy at explaining how to get the best from the ID forum
Hammy Code and Photo Guide

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:55 am
by Allectus
Georgian trade weight. ::g


A ;)

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:58 am
by f8met
A nice one too ::g

Would be useful to know a little more, machine, depth, land?

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:19 am
by Curtains dave
Thank you.
This was my first post but in future will follow all the instructions.
Found with Deus in Hertfordshire around 6 inches deep in the concrete soil we have at the moment.
Appreciated the ID.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:25 pm
by Koala
George the first

Is

Crown at 11 O'clock
Sword at 12
Ewer at 6
A. at 1


Looks close to me

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:29 pm
by Lowland
Hi
Here’s enough weights to make your eyes hurt
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/weights.htm
::g

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:29 pm
by chillidog
trade weight. this link will help you http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/weights.htm

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:48 pm
by Koala
A for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoirdupois_system
Sword of St Paul for London

Normally have several marks where they are re assayed. Probably not in use for two long

Looks like a 1/4 towards the bottom ?

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:25 pm
by Steve_T
Koala wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:48 pm
A for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoirdupois_system
Sword of St Paul for London

Normally have several marks where they are re assayed. Probably not in use for two long

Looks like a 1/4 towards the bottom ?
1/4 Oz or 1/4 lb ? That's why having a measure helps ::g

Regards Steve

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:34 pm
by f8met
I have a similar one, I didn't know which George it is as it could be I, II or III?

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:45 pm
by Koala
Only works with weights with the A, sword and ewer


George I - - crowned G at 11 o'clock- sword at 12 o'clock - A at 1 o'clock - ewer at 6 o'clock.
George II -- crowned G at 9 o'clock - sword at 12 o'clock - A at 3 o'clock - ewer at 6 o'clock.
George III - crowned G at 3 o'clock - sword at 12 o'clock - A at 9 o'clock - ewer at 6 o'clock.
The latter also for George IV up to 1826


It's not 100%

The crown above the G alters again not 100%

The original post the G is a different shape to the normal so looks like there were several variations

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:51 pm
by Phil2401
Think you've nailed it, Koala - with due respect to Aleectus's original ID. t's without much doubt a George I trade weight. I'm just wondering how much it weighs - Dave?

Phil

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:53 pm
by littleboot
Steve_T wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:25 pm
Koala wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:48 pm
A for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoirdupois_system
Sword of St Paul for London

Normally have several marks where they are re assayed. Probably not in use for two long

Looks like a 1/4 towards the bottom ?
1/4 Oz or 1/4 lb ? That's why having a measure helps ::g

Regards Steve
I can never understand why peeps wanting to know about weights don't do the obvious and...weigh them? :)) No disrespect to the OP. Its an omission which happens with stonking regularity when asking for I.D.s. Even if the ID is for something other than a weight, the actual weight of an object can really help narrow things down in terms of what it is and what its made of.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:52 pm
by Curtains dave
Thank you all for help.
This was my first post but will weigh tomorrow and in future follow all the helpful tips when posting other items.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:46 am
by littleboot
Great stuff CD. Looking forward to seeing what else turns up for you.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:00 am
by Curtains dave
Just weighed it and it is two ounces.
Thank you for all your help.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:01 pm
by fred
Curtains dave wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:00 am
Just weighed it and it is two ounces.
Thank you for all your help.
If it is 4 centimetres across then it must be pretty deep? :-/ It certainly looks lighter in the picture.

The A identifies it as from the Avoirdupois system of weights so it should be a round figure in ounces, or at least a common fraction like half or quarter ounces.

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:30 pm
by Phil2401
fred wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:01 pm
Curtains dave wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:00 am
Just weighed it and it is two ounces.
Thank you for all your help.
If it is 4 centimetres across then it must be pretty deep? :-/ It certainly looks lighter in the picture.

The A identifies it as from the Avoirdupois system of weights so it should be a round figure in ounces, or at least a common fraction like half or quarter ounces.
I also thought it looked a bit insubstantial for 2 ounces but the top does appear to be domed - a profile photo might have helped.

Phil

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:38 pm
by jcmaloney
Easy enough be two ounces.

When I first started in the meat trade (1978) we still used similar sets of balance weights.
"Weights & Measures" would come and check them and stamp a lead disc in the bottom as being ok.
From a 1/2 ounce through to 6lb , certainly tested your mental agility when someone wanted a 1lb and 12 ozs of shin! =))

Big stuff like quarters of beef were weighed on steelyards...... same design as the Roman ones!!

Then electronics took off with digital displays etc.... :(

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:45 pm
by Phil2401
jcmaloney wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:38 pm
Easy enough be two ounces.

"Weights & Measures" would come and check them and stamp a lead disc in the bottom as being ok.
That's an interesting bit of 'recent' history, JCM - it just struck me though that if they stamped a lead seal on the bottom, didn't that make them heavier? OK I'm probably being daft but...

Phil

Re: Not sure what this is.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:59 pm
by jcmaloney
Phil2401 wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:45 pm
jcmaloney wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:38 pm
Easy enough be two ounces.

"Weights & Measures" would come and check them and stamp a lead disc in the bottom as being ok.
That's an interesting bit of 'recent' history, JCM - it just struck me though that if they stamped a lead seal on the bottom, didn't that make them heavier? OK I'm probably being daft but...

Phil
Nope, the lead was the "fine adjustment". They popped out the previous years and added a "Crowned" dated one. Annual check and random mystery shopper purchases in those days, although you could still wing it with a bit of fat stuck under the pan on "your" side. If you suspected the "customer" as being weights & measures just discretely remove ....... and talk in back slang! ;) =)) =))