Strange Folded Bishop?

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Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by Fisher1266X » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:12 am

Howdy,

Found this amongst yesterdays haul.

I cant believe I managed to miss so much!

It's 50mm wide and30mm from the top of the head to the fold.
The other side is 27mm at it's widest point.
It has two loops, one behind the head and the other behind what would be the bottom LH corner.
It looks like there was another loop on the opposite RH corner.
This was from the same area I found the Decade/Rosary ring dating 1500's and the traders weight dating to 1380AD.
There was a chapel on the site from at least 1250AD

How can I tell if it's pewter or silver, or indeed any other metal? It weighs 17g
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Bishop rev.jpg

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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by field-of-dreams » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:18 am

Thats nice, got some age to it for sure.
Looks like the Deus XP is living up to it's reputation it seems to find stuff that other detectors have missed. Looks like you'll have to go and search everywhere you've been in the past and see what you have missed LOL.

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Post by Fisher1266X » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:27 am

field-of-dreams wrote:Thats nice, got some age to it for sure.
Looks like the Deus XP is living up to it's reputation it seems to find stuff that other detectors have missed. Looks like you'll have to go and search everywhere you've been in the past and see what you have missed LOL.

Kris...
Hi Kris,

What an apt name for this field lol!
As it is, I've only searched one acre out of three with the Fisher and I've only "re-done" two thirds of this one acre with the Deus. So after this, I've 2 acres to do that have never been detected before :P

As stated in a previous post, I'm not sure how I and the Fisher missed so many targets!

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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by yeti » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:57 am

Well its a gable headdress which is for Tudor women in the 16th century, maybe depicting Mary Magdelene???.Not sure of age or purpose though....Mick

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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by dan1993 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:40 pm

pilgrims badge perhaps? looks like a great find
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Post by Fisher1266X » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:07 pm

yeti wrote:Well its a gable headdress which is for Tudor women in the 16th century, maybe depicting Mary Magdelene???.Not sure of age or purpose though....Mick
Cheers Mick, Yes it looks like the ones on Wiki ;)
I wonder if it was folded on purpose?
That would put it in the same time frame of the Rosary ring I found in the same field.

It'll be interesting to see what the new machine picks up in the remaining 2 acres.
danrynne wrote:pilgrims badge perhaps? looks like a great find
Thanks Dan, I'm intrigued so find out what it is, how old and what it's made out of :)


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Post by dan1993 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:40 pm

So you would recommended the XP DEUS?
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Post by Fisher1266X » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:26 pm

danrynne wrote:So you would recommended the XP DEUS?
First of all, forget all the hype of "I'm getting a Deus coz it's light"
If another brand of detector was 3 times as heavy I'd have gone for that ;)
I've got a SUPERB bungee that made my Fisher feel LIGHTER than the Deus!
No way would I spend £1400 when £13 would sort out any weight problems!!

I was well impressed with the performance of the XP GMP the some friends have.
The recovery of Roman coins from a very very trashy site was to behold!
So.... I went for the Deus as its basically 4 detectors in one whereas the GMP is more suited to trashy sites were it excels.
I do quite a bit of pasture and the Fisher is quite a deep machine on this type of terrain.
The results of the Deus (and I've only had it 5 days) speak volumes.
This site I went over with a fine tooth comb only two weeks ago with the Fisher and pulled out 351 coins and loads of good targets.
I did 3/4 of the same bit on Mon & Tues and found 60 more coins and the bits I've posted in the last couple of days.

No way am I saying its better than x or y but it's certainly proved it's capabilities :)

Cant wait to try out one of the Roman sites thats covered in THOUSANDS of nails B-)

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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by timesearch » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:43 pm

It's interesting following your exploits with the new machine as it must be making everybody wonder how much they are missing. It would be interesting to set up a marked section on a field and provide users of different machines with different coloured garden labels to indicate where they detect a positive signal. I wonder just how many different tags would appear at the same locations?

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Post by Gwawrer » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:58 pm

Thats a really beautiful item well saved. I like timesearch's idea perhaps some people/friends with different machine could get together to do this if anyone lives near each other it would be so interesting. I wish i lived need a shop that sold them and I could test some.
Its better out of the ground and in your hand for the history or monetary value rather than left in the ground to rot doing nothing for anyone.
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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by Gaz 1266x » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:25 pm

Great find there paul doing well with the deus i see. :)
How many inches does the deus detect these coins in air tests with a faint signal.
£2 = ?
2p = ?
1p = ?
my fisher is as follows.
£2 = 16ins
2p = 14ins
1p = 13ins.
it would be interesting to know what the difference is.

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Post by hammyman » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:35 pm

Gaz 1266x wrote:Great find there paul doing well with the deus i see. :)
How many inches does the deus detect these coins in air tests with a faint signal.
£2 = ?
2p = ?
1p = ?
my fisher is as follows.
£2 = 16ins
2p = 14ins
1p = 13ins.
it would be interesting to know what the difference is.
In my opinion air tests are not a true indication of a machines ability.The only real way to test one machine against another, is to compare 'in field' signals. :)
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Post by Fisher1266X » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:58 pm

Timesearch & Gwawrer, Thanks for your comments.
I agree that it would be good to see all detectors being used on a level playing field so to speak.
The target/s would have to be buried and left untouched with all the machines being passed over it/them.
The only problem is the multiple variations in set-up ie; sensitivity, ground balance, discrimination, etc. One persons Etrac may have a slightly different combination of parameters than another Etrac.
At the end of the day, if you can clinically search an area then go over it again with another machine as I've done, then at least you will be satisfied that you chose the right machine.
As mentioned, the Fisher pulled out 351 coins over 7 days. The Deus has done 3/4 of the same field and recovered another sixty coins and other non-ferrous items as shown in a previous picture.

Gaz, I'll see how the Deus performs against your figures ;)
But..... what if the Deus gives faint signals at a shallower distance than the Fisher?
Strangely enough, I didn't choose the Deus for depth, I went for it because of the "speed of recovery" and its a versatile detector.
I honestly think that the Fisher may have "over discriminated" on some of the targets and I only had disc 2 set at 2.5
I also think that nearby iron "shrouded" the good targets from the Fisher.

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Post by satdaveuk » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:22 am

You have a hell of a good sight there mate, the amount of coins etc your pulling out of there,outstripes all my permissions, im going on the time factor your out detecting/ finds.
I managed 3 hours in pasture yesturday solid detecting no breaks, and didnt find anything worth keeping, it was all junk.
Anyways keep us informed about your new detector
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Post by Gaz 1266x » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:08 am

I would expect the deus to out perform the fisher in most aspects seeing as the fisher is over 20 years old,but it is it worth trading my fisher,is it that much better?
Have you still got your old fisher,if so you could do some discrimination,pinpointing and depth tests on the field see how they compare it would be interesting to see the results.
Happy Hunting.
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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by Gaz 1266x » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:11 am

hammyman wrote:
Gaz 1266x wrote:Great find there paul doing well with the deus i see. :)
How many inches does the deus detect these coins in air tests with a faint signal.
£2 = ?
2p = ?
1p = ?
my fisher is as follows.
£2 = 16ins
2p = 14ins
1p = 13ins.
it would be interesting to know what the difference is.
In my opinion air tests are not a true indication of a machines ability.The only real way to test one machine against another, is to compare 'in field' signals. :)
I know hammyman i just wanted a general indication. :)

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Post by Fisher1266X » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:44 pm

satdaveuk wrote:You have a hell of a good sight there mate, the amount of coins etc your pulling out of there,outstripes all my permissions, im going on the time factor your out detecting/ finds.
I managed 3 hours in pasture yesturday solid detecting no breaks, and didnt find anything worth keeping, it was all junk.
Anyways keep us informed about your new detector
All the best
Dave
Hi Dave,
La! I dont normally find fields like this, normally they're like any other field I suppose.
As already stated in one of my first posts I came across this field by chance!
With the Fisher pulling out 351 coins plus other items I thought it would be an ideal place to test the Deus :)
I couldn't believe it when I had 25 coins the first day and 35 the next "testing" the Deus.
I had to cut the second day short as I has to visit our FLO with a few finds :)
Also the Bishops head thing which started this thread, is no small item, so a large target!

One thing I will say about the Deus is that I find it harder to pinpoint than the Fisher, so if there are any "seasoned" Deus users out there with any tips, please call lol!

I'll keep you posted ;)

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Post by Fisher1266X » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:55 pm

Gaz 1266x wrote:I would expect the deus to out perform the fisher in most aspects seeing as the fisher is over 20 years old,but it is it worth trading my fisher,is it that much better?
Have you still got your old fisher,if so you could do some discrimination,pinpointing and depth tests on the field see how they compare it would be interesting to see the results.
Happy Hunting.
Gaz. [:)
Hows it going Gaz,

I had mine for 18 years but didn't use it for most of that :(
My first thoughts would be to keep the Fisher as a back-up for everything other than Roman trashy sites. Touch wood, I shouldn't need a back-up la!
The Fisher is a superb machine for pasture and a great buy for someone on eBay.
As for discrimination the Deus is leagues ahead of the 1266X.
Pinpointing the Fisher wins (for now, until someone posts a tip or two).
Depth, again the Deus wins as I've dug deeper holes :P
I suspect that the discrimination of the Fisher blanked out some of the finds I missed :-/

If you know of someone with a Deus, you could ask them to check out an area that you know that produced targets but is now "barren".

I'm very pleased with the Deus' performance on pasture.
The next test will be the Roman trashy sites ;)

Happy hunting to you too

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Re: Strange Folded Bishop?

Post by Gaz 1266x » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:20 pm

Well this is my second fisher 1266x in 20 years and i can't complain the amount of stuff that i have found over the years including the gold stater in the avatar.
if the deus went an extra 6ins at least on finds overall i would buy one,but if it don't go over that i think i will keep the fisher for the time being.
Will look forward to your future finds paul.
Happy hunting.
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