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1739 Religious token

Post by Swany » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:55 pm

Guy's, found this a while back, dug in Perthshire, pasture, CTX 17" tadpole 4, hoping for a definitive ID, dated 1739.

One side has the date with an I and C either side of the hole and a cross above with a pellet either side. weighs in at 2.88 grams, 22mm at widest.

Tother side has / had WHYT.FIELD, a bit of detail lost after the token dried out etc.

Is this the same item as this exceptionally rare one https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=2038&lot=1222

Is it attributed to George Whitefield?

George Whitefield (1714-1770) was an English evangelist whose preaching in America climaxed the religious revival known as the Great Awakening.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/ ... edir_esc=y

Cheers guy's.
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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by Dave The Slave » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:21 pm

Appears to be the same.
Well done on your research and well found ::g
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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by watermouse » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:37 pm

Communion token..i would think WHYT FIELD refers to place or parish rather than an individual.
its whitfield..not whitefield..its in Northumberland and has an old chapel and holy trinity church
chapel
https://www.hadrianswallpictures.com/wp ... ERLAND.jpg
church
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... tzjyQL.jpg

I.C...independent church
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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by Swany » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:53 pm

watermouse wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:37 pm
Communion token..i would think WHYT FIELD refers to place or parish rather than an individual.
its whitfield..not whitefield..its in Northumberland and has an old chapel and holy trinity church
chapel
https://www.hadrianswallpictures.com/wp ... ERLAND.jpg
church
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... tzjyQL.jpg
Thanks Watermouse, but these tokens if for parishes did not travel far, this was found in Perthshire, Scotland. I was thinking, George Whitefield was associated with a lot of sermons, including Scotland, I was wondering if these tokens were handed out to the faithful, either for attending or as a 'ticket' to gain entry.

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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by Lowland » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:54 pm

Hi swany
Given your location This parish round Dundee way seems a good shot
Maybe :D
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=st ... 9712001875
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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by watermouse » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:05 pm

numbids must be incorrect as it says Northumberland whitefield

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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by watermouse » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:19 pm

George whitefield was in Scotland.. with john Wesley just prior leaving for America that year

https://www.evangelical-times.org/20559 ... -scotland/

https://archive.org/stream/johnwesleyan ... t_djvu.txt

so yep you was spot on ::g

I used to have to go to Methodist sunday school lol when I was a wee lad lol.
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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by Swany » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:27 pm

Lowland wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:54 pm
Hi swany
Given your location This parish round Dundee way seems a good shot
Maybe :D
::g
https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=st ... 9712001875
Cheers Lowland, but still a bit further away than communion tokens would travel in GII's reign, I think, all communions I have found are within a few miles of the associated village / kirk.

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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by Swany » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 pm

watermouse wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:19 pm
George whitefield was in Scotland.. with john Wesley just prior leaving for America that year

https://www.evangelical-times.org/20559 ... -scotland/

https://archive.org/stream/johnwesleyan ... t_djvu.txt

so yep you was spot on ::g
Cheers Watermouse, that is what I was thinking, 1739 would be one of the last years in the UK, would I be miles off to think that these were handed out at a sermon or as an invite to one of his last before he left for the America's.

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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by watermouse » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:44 pm

I should have heard of him... so weird..i know about Wesley lol you know what I would like in a similar sort of vain....a mill token from NEW LANARK or even better an over struck coin for Robert Owens mills..that would be a real stunning find. be rather rare id expect

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Re: 1739 Religious token

Post by Machinist » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:28 pm

It seems strange logic to me that a communion token from Whitfield, Dundee can not be taken by a person from there to where it was found. But a man called Whitefield can travel all the way from Scotland to the Americas.

This early map shows Whitfield spelt Whytfield https://maps.nls.uk/pont/view/?id=pont2 ... &layers=BT

Communion tokens use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communion_token

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