ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

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ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

Post by thefiggis » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:13 pm

What ho,

After being chased off the field by heavy rain driven in by a howling gale and nearly being knocked off me pins by a muntjac being chased by an unrestrained mutt B| , I put the few short hours down as a total duffer of an innings. However, cleaning up the pathetic haul revealed something which might actually be a decent find.

Rather than put it out on the ID section I thought you might like to have a stab via a challenge, so here it is.

What won't be obvious from the images is the fact that it's not perfectly symmetrical. It's also relatively heavy for its size, being solid bronze. The closeup better shows the gold gilding it once had and it must have been an impressive piece in its day, whatever it is (not formally IDed yet).

Found in an area which has given many finds from Roman to modern day, I have my own thoughts on it.

Closes Wednesday, 13th March some time after 5.00 pm.

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Post by thefiggis » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:14 pm

I think it's a Roman dress pin
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Post by Bors » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:16 pm

Victorian Hat pin top

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Post by Dave The Slave » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:28 pm

Iron Age/Roman Linchpin.
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Post by Easylife » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:30 pm

I guess it's small enough to be a knife terminal.
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Post by Danzigman » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:44 pm

My guess goes towards a Hairpin head... Would have said Roman, but cnat find a match.. So sometimes medieval..
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Post by Shaneb3 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:58 pm

Sword pommel

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Post by shaggybfc » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:10 pm

I’d have a guess at the knob off a tea caddy or tobacco jar. Age - I’d say C17 mid to late.
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Post by Junior » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:57 pm

Curtain rail end ...... hopefully

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Post by Shaneb3 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:39 pm

Medieval pin head

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Post by redwulf500 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:48 am

early medieval pin head

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Post by Ladybird66 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:52 am

It looks like the end of a dress/hair pin.

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Post by shaggybfc » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:05 am

And my second guess is; A furniture fixing / stud - late / post medieval
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Post by oldartefact » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:38 pm

something to do with a watch winder ...? But thought we would be getting two pics :) :) :)
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Post by Spearhead » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:54 am

Saxon whirl headed pinhead.

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Post by mrcheeky » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:53 am

part of a fire guard lol

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Post by Roughwood » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:21 am

A medieval pin head?
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Post by hd1958 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:21 pm

pocket watch winder with piece broken off

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Post by Shaneb3 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:13 pm

Roman pin head

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Post by Steve_T » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:29 am

Door bell pull for the front of house, the old wire pull type
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Re: ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

Post by thefiggis » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:57 pm

Wow, you lot are amazing ::g

So many ideas, each with merit, but I think it's the scale (along with the majority of opinions) which narrows it down to a pin head. I originally put it down to a pocket watch winder but cleaning it scuppered that - this thing is old old.

Ah, but how old is it? My bias was towards Roman as it was found where other Roman stuff turns up and it has the same dark patina. Medieval tends to have a green tinge to it in these soil conditions, but this is info privy to me and I didn't want to influence anyone by revealing it.

Why I now think it might not be Roman is down to the fact there appears to be a collar on it (seemingly, Roman pin heads don't have these) along with the weight of your opinion towards medieval.

Definitely old, whatever. The swirls are too irregular for it to have been machine-made unless of course the machine setter-upper had a total mare =))

Thanks for such an cracking response, and if no further positive leads turn up here from further discussion I hope we'll have then I'll let you know what the FLO thinks.

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Post by Shaneb3 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:04 pm

Yay got it with my second guess, after actually looking at the scale :D x;
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Re: ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

Post by thefiggis » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:46 pm

We all learn something, Shane. Constantly! And were it not for a scale this could be seen as anything from a pin head to a full-scale model of a hot air balloon so everything needs to be taken into account.

And we still don't always get an accurate ID =))

But that's what makes it all so interesting ::g
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Post by Bors » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:29 pm

Now Where did I put those cocktail sticks :-/

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Post by Easylife » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:07 am

Shaneb3 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:04 pm
Yay got it with my second guess, after actually looking at the scale :D x;
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Nah, second guess doesn't count - dat's da roolz. :))
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Re: ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

Post by Spearhead » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:07 am

I still think it is very similar to the Saxon Writhen headed pins. See image below.
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Re: ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

Post by thefiggis » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:06 pm

Ooh ahh, Spearhead, I want to have your babies buy you a large gin ::g

Think you might have hit the nail on the (pin) head there, fellah, and if you have then that's three Saxon finds in recent weeks on a field where only one had previously turned up in two years.

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Post by Spearhead » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:53 pm

thefiggis wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:06 pm
Ooh ahh, Spearhead, I want to have your babies buy you a large gin ::g

Think you might have hit the nail on the (pin) head there, fellah, and if you have then that's three Saxon finds in recent weeks on a field where only one had previously turned up in two years.

Many thanks to you OooO
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Re: ID Challenge No.13 (10-3 to 13-3-19)

Post by thefiggis » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:42 pm

=)) =)) =))
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