Jewellery item ID please

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Jewellery item ID please

Post by judeismydog » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:36 pm

Fairly unproductive morning on an established permisission today, last signal of the day this came up at 15 on my Nox. Roughly 6’’ down on pasture. I have no idea whether it’s just modern costume jewellery or not. I don’t even know what it is- maybe a pendant with the jewel missing? As far as the metal is concerned, it’s not silver (tried the foil test). Weighs just under 4g. Any advice on whether to put it in the ‘junk’ or ‘good stuff’ box would be much appreciated :D
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Re: Jewellery item ID please

Post by Danzigman » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:40 pm

Looks silver to me... Pocket watch winder key is my guess..
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Post by beaubrummell » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:57 pm

Part of an antique silver baby rattle maybe?
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Post by Me and my boy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:17 pm

Danzigman wrote:
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Looks silver to me... Pocket watch winder key is my guess..
Really nice find..
My guess too. Looks gold plate/ plaque. Maybe?
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Post by fred » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:09 pm

Looks like a watch winder, probably pinchbeck. ::g Did you have to clean it up much?
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Post by Easylife » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Well when colour balanced it certainly has the look of gold. Does it feel particularly heavy for it's size?
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Post by fred » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm

Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:12 pm
Well when colour balanced it certainly has the look of gold. Does it feel particularly heavy for it's size?
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I have a few bits of late Georgian pinchbeck which fooled me at the time, and I was supposed to know what I was doing with precious metals. Pinchbeck looks a bit like washed out gold. ::g
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Post by Easylife » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:28 pm

fred wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:12 pm
Well when colour balanced it certainly has the look of gold. Does it feel particularly heavy for it's size?
B5658280-9785-4F81-AF89-C15B813A60D0.jpeg
I have a few bits of late Georgian pinchbeck which fooled me at the time, and I was supposed to know what I was doing with precious metals. Pinchbeck looks a bit like washed out gold. ::g
I guess noticeably lighter though? x;
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Post by fred » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:11 am

Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:28 pm
fred wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:12 pm
Well when colour balanced it certainly has the look of gold. Does it feel particularly heavy for it's size?
B5658280-9785-4F81-AF89-C15B813A60D0.jpeg
I have a few bits of late Georgian pinchbeck which fooled me at the time, and I was supposed to know what I was doing with precious metals. Pinchbeck looks a bit like washed out gold. ::g
I guess noticeably lighter though? x;

Definitely but, depending upon construction, some gold items can seem quite light too. If something looks like gold and feels heavy for it's size it is probably gold. If it looks like gold but feels light then all that you can really say is that it needs further investigation! :D
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Post by Easylife » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:28 am

fred wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:11 am
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:28 pm
fred wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm


I have a few bits of late Georgian pinchbeck which fooled me at the time, and I was supposed to know what I was doing with precious metals. Pinchbeck looks a bit like washed out gold. ::g
I guess noticeably lighter though? x;

Definitely but, depending upon construction, some gold items can seem quite light too. If something looks like gold and feels heavy for it's size it is probably gold. If it looks like gold but feels light then all that you can really say is that it needs further investigation! :D
I completely agree. ::g
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Post by judeismydog » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:22 am

Thanks guys, my first thought when it came up from that depth all shiny was that it looked like gold. But it's very pale. It's definitely not silver as the foil test didn't produce any heat or stink!
I'd never heard of pinchbeck but I guess it's a possibility.
It's certainly weighty for its size- just under 4g. I guess I'll take it to one of those places that buy gold and get them to check it. Thanks for all your input on this.
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Post by Tomo » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Reminds me of the fob seal loops
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Post by littleboot » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:19 pm

u;@ What Tomo said....https://www.etsy.com/listing/665857079 ... atch-chain

I can't help think that if it was pinchbeck it would show some signs of verdigris and deterioration.
It seems that its likely to be gold. Time to whip out the digital mini-scales and do a bit of Archimedes....Nice loop to suspend the thread on as well so should be easy to get an accurate result. ::g
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Post by fred » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:38 pm

littleboot wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:19 pm
u;@ What Tomo said....https://www.etsy.com/listing/665857079 ... atch-chain

I can't help think that if it was pinchbeck it would show some signs of verdigris and deterioration.
It seems that its likely to be gold. Time to whip out the digital mini-scales and do a bit of Archimedes....Nice loop to suspend the thread on as well so should be easy to get an accurate result. ::g
Have a look inside it! ::g
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Post by littleboot » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:41 pm

I assumed that was crud.....besides, I'd expect the outside to be the bit most affected by the soil not the inside? So maybe gold plated with a copper alloy core.
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Post by fred » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:13 am

judeismydog wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:22 am
Thanks guys, my first thought when it came up from that depth all shiny was that it looked like gold. But it's very pale. It's definitely not silver as the foil test didn't produce any heat or stink!
I'd never heard of pinchbeck but I guess it's a possibility.
It's certainly weighty for its size- just under 4g. I guess I'll take it to one of those places that buy gold and get them to check it. Thanks for all your input on this.

Be careful, they will test it by filing a great cut in it! If it is 9ct gold it will be worth about £40 as scrap (and they'll offer you considerably less because it isn't hallmarked). If it isn't it will just be ruined. :D

PS I think that Tomo was probably right about it being part of a Georgian seal although if it has a hole in the end the bit sticking out of the loop might have been a watch key too. ::g
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Post by judeismydog » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:41 am

Brilliant, thanks everyone, a Georgian seal minus the stone does seem a likely ID. And thanks Fred for the advice about the jewellers- I’ll get the micro scales out and try the scientific method. I’ll post once done :D
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Post by fred » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:02 am

judeismydog wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:41 am
Brilliant, thanks everyone, a Georgian seal minus the stone does seem a likely ID. And thanks Fred for the advice about the jewellers- I’ll get the micro scales out and try the scientific method. I’ll post once done :D
I think that it might have broken off at the point where the stem reaches the bit which held the stone rather than the stone just dropped out. Inside you can see the hole where the reinforcing rod, usually steel went. ::g
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Post by Danzigman » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:11 pm

littleboot wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:19 pm
u;@ What Tomo said....https://www.etsy.com/listing/665857079 ... atch-chain

I can't help think that if it was pinchbeck it would show some signs of verdigris and deterioration.
It seems that its likely to be gold. Time to whip out the digital mini-scales and do a bit of Archimedes....Nice loop to suspend the thread on as well so should be easy to get an accurate result. ::g
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Post by Gerrygreig » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:24 pm

Seen many of these fancy pocket watch keys.
Usually a small agate or cut glass insert to top.
Some like yours are gilt silver or pinchbeck.
Lovely find though.👍🏻

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