ID required not got a clue!

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ID required not got a clue!

Post by ypudding » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:40 pm

Hi does anyone know what this is? Or what the writing says? I found it today with my Garrett Pro on some permission near Pontefract. It was only 6" down but the field had been ploughed. Feels heavy like lead. I initially thought it may be a broach of some sort. Thanks in advance.
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Post by hartsman » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:42 pm

Seal matrix, very nice find. ::g

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Post by DC-1819 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:46 pm

What detail .excellent ::g

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Post by Shaneb3 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:52 pm

It's a seal matrix and it's absolutely stunning!!

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Post by Tetra73 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:53 pm

Very nice well done ::g
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Post by Allectus » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:55 pm

+SIG' SISCILE....Seal of Sicily. ::g

Well done. ::g

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Post by sweepstick47 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:59 pm

Incredibly good condition ::g There may be a 'blocked' hole for for the purpose of suspending the seal by a leather 'thong'- (usually worn from the neck). A very nice find indeed ::g Regards ss47
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Post by Mancave-man » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:47 pm

That is an incredible seal matrix. What a find. ::g

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Post by Me and my boy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:42 pm

Lovely seal and in very nice condition. Well found
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Post by broadsmaster » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:44 pm

very nice
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Post by Oxgirl36 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:52 pm

Thats in incredible condition. Very well found ::g
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Post by Cantiaci » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:21 pm

Thats in incredible condition..what a cracker!
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Post by Easylife » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:23 pm

What a corker. ::g
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Post by littleboot » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:39 pm

That is really lovely...a substantial seal matrix and the fleur de lys design is a very nice added dimension. Maybe a French connection...hardly surprising as the so and so's had nicked all the land.

This one on the PAS has several similarities to yours ( vessica shaped, with the sun and moon motif on the front, and the F de Lys on the back) but not in as good a nick obviously...
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Post by Doyoudigitman » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:57 pm

What a beauty well done ::g

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Post by ypudding » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:03 pm

Thanks guys, always a wealth of knowledge on this site.

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Post by ploughchaser » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:49 am

What a cracking find, well done!👍

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Post by jondurandsilver » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:16 am

What a beauty. It is in excellent order. The suspension loop on the back looks like it needs the soil removing.
Considering lead is a malleable metal it has survived well.
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Post by fred » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:38 am

Lovely find. ::g I reckon the name is more likely a blundered form of Cecile, a Medieval name. :D
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Post by Fusion » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:01 am

That is a nice undamaged example.
It has the general style/appearance of a ladies seal, and I think the inscription should be interpreted as "Seal of Cicely" in modern parlance.
SISCILIE is as stated, of French origin, one of many variants of the name listed here:
http://www.infernaldreams.com/names/Eur ... ngland.htm

Cecely Cecelya Cecelyna Cecil Cecili Cecilia
Cecilie Cecille Cecillia Cecy Celia Cicely
Cicilia Cicily Cisse Cissie Cissota Cycalye
Cycly Secile Sela Sely Sicillia Siscella Sisilla
Sisley Sisse Sissota Sycily Sysley Syslye
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Post by Wuntbedruv » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:37 am

Allectus wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:55 pm
+SIG' SISCILE....Seal of Sicily. ::g

Well done. ::g

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SIG' SISCILIE- Seal of Cicely
God gives all men all earth to love, but since man’s heart is small,
Ordains for each one spot shall prove beloved over all.
Each to his choice, and I rejoice, the lot has fallen to me
In a fair ground—in a fair ground—Yea, Sussex by the sea!

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Post by littleboot » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:50 am

Wuntbedruv wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:37 am
Allectus wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:55 pm
+SIG' SISCILE....Seal of Sicily. ::g

Well done. ::g

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SIG' SISCILIE- Seal of Cicely
No standardised spelling so Cicily, Cecily, Sysily , Sicily or whatever floats your boat. All, and more were used.
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Post by Dom » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:30 pm

Fantastic seal, well found.
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Post by BAMBAM » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:36 pm

Superb find. That is museum quality.
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Post by tigerseeker » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:51 pm

What a beautiful find ::g
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