Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

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Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:41 pm

Found this one today. Not very deep down, less than 6 inches. I believe it to be a token, and not a coin. It is most likely made from lead or pewter. It doesn't have a milled edge like a coin, end is relatively thick. Diameter is 21mm.

Any ideas what it vaguely is? At this stage, I have no idea whatsover.

Thanks.

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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token?

Post by Danzigman » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:00 am

One side look like Roman coin, and other side seems to say FRISIA that is lowland Dutch.
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token?

Post by Koala » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:57 am

Danzigman wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:00 am
One side look like Roman coin, and other side seems to say FRISIA that is lowland Dutch.

I see ISLA


which I did see on some Bavarian leper tokens. But so few letters could just be coincidence.


Looks like there's more in the blurry photo. With a different photo I suspect there's enough for an ID

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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token?

Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:46 am

Yes, the photo I used for the scale is very poor, so I've uploaded two new photos, that hopefully reveal the lettering better.

I have added the letters that I can make out, however the C maybe indeed be a G, and the L may be an I (as Danzgiman suggested.)

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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token?

Post by Koala » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:37 pm

Bumping this back up to the top as its falling of the bottom into never never land

Out and about at the moment but will have a look later tonight

Photos are so much better. Deserves on ID. Looks to have enough detail.

Might be worth changing the title and mention new photos added so people that have already looked at it look again.

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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token?

Post by beaubrummell » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:41 pm

I S L A could be part of the word Island. Just a thought.
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by littleboot » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:43 pm

Wonder if the letter between the C and B is an H. It looks like that to me. In which case A R C H (bishop?)
In fact looking at all the photos I tend to think it could be A N C H
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Post by Easylife » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:33 pm

Looks like ARCHBALD and ISLAND to me? x;
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:02 pm

Easylife wrote:
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Looks like ARCHBALD and ISLAND to me? x;
It did enter my head 'Archibald,' or similar. There would appear to be many old variations of the name, such as 'Archibaut.' It then left me thinking if it was a variation of Archibald, why would his name be on a token?
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by alloverover » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:30 pm

Bagseal ::g

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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by littleboot » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:38 pm

alloverover wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:30 pm
Bagseal ::g
That makes sense as I have seen some condor tokens for Archibald Seedsmen. (obviously not the same metal) So this could be one of theirs.
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:44 pm

alloverover wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:30 pm
Bagseal ::g
Oh dear, I thought it was an ancient 'King Archibald' token for a moment! Was 'Archibald' a company name then?

[EDIT] I've looked up 'Archibald Seedsmen' and they were an agricultural company located in Edinburgh.
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by littleboot » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:59 pm

Joseph Archibald was a nurseryman and seedsman based in Edinburgh. He died in the Regency period so this is probably a seal from the late 18th/ early 20th century. He and his company issued trade tokens as well, but these were copper and of different design.
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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by Koala » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:31 pm

not made of lead or pewter but the closest I could find

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/753857


pewter are normally medals or commemorative medallions

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Re: Can Anyone ID This Interesting Old Token - New Photos Added!

Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:33 pm

Koala wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:31 pm
not made of lead or pewter but the closest I could find

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/753857


pewter are normally medals or commemorative medallions
Thanks Koala, I think mine is most likely from the Edinburgh company, and is made of lead. Thanks for all the various suggestions from different posters.
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