Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

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Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Giz » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:14 pm

This folded hammered came up on the last signal of the afternoon, not much else to show other than George V halfpenny and a scrubbed half penny. Using the Deus, quite shallow, cultivated potato field. Photo 1 show field shot, remaining photos are before and after annealing. ID required please. well pleased with the outcome. ::g

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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Allectus » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:19 pm

Henry III 3ab long-cross penny, Huge - Winchester. ::g

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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Oxgirl36 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm

Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Giz » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g
Your right, however I like to know what the coin is. It would do my nut in not knowing.
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Oxgirl36 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:38 pm

Giz wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g
Your right, however I like to know what the coin is. It would do my nut in not knowing.
To be fair it would me too =))
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Giz » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:45 pm

Allectus wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:19 pm
Henry III 3ab long-cross penny, Huge - Winchester. ::g

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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by fred » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 pm

Giz wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g
Your right, however I like to know what the coin is. It would do my nut in not knowing.
As it's a legible voided longcross you can tell what it is from just one side without unfolding it! :D
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Giz » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:01 pm

fred wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 pm
Giz wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g
Your right, however I like to know what the coin is. It would do my nut in not knowing.
As it's a legible voided longcross you can tell what it is from just one side without unfolding it! :D
Thanks Fred, didn't know that. ::g
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by HolzHammer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:05 pm

fred wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 pm
Giz wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g
Your right, however I like to know what the coin is. It would do my nut in not knowing.
As it's a legible voided longcross you can tell what it is from just one side without unfolding it! :D
Are you implying you wouldn’t unfold it / clean the mud and dirt in between it, if you had found it yourself? Just out of interest....

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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Fusion » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:06 pm

I'm confident I could've made a good job of straightening it, but even so, I would choose to leave this one as bent. I'd clean it properly ( ultrasonic bath, probably ) and maybe even a bit of electrolysis, but the bend would stay.
I notice the flattened coin has a very distinctive M-shape near the bend, suggesting it's been bent back too enthusiastically. How many annealing/bending cycles did you step through to get it flat ?
Similar coins I've done in the past took 8 repetitions to complete.

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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by bazzerhut » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:44 am

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g

Yes, and significant enough to warrant recording with the FLO when the folding seems so plainly deliberate, given the possible votive/ritual dimension, which is of considerable archaeological and historical interest.

It's worth linking again to this excellent paper by Richard Kelleher with some fascinating discussion of the practice.

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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by fred » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:28 am

HolzHammer wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:05 pm
fred wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 pm
Giz wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm


Your right, however I like to know what the coin is. It would do my nut in not knowing.
As it's a legible voided longcross you can tell what it is from just one side without unfolding it! :D
Are you implying you wouldn’t unfold it / clean the mud and dirt in between it, if you had found it yourself? Just out of interest....
I would certainly have slapped my own wrists and cleaned up the outside. :D

However, it was deliberately folded therefore the fold is part of it's history (and interest) so it should be recorded and preserved as it is. Even if I decide to straighten an obviously accidentally bent coin I always try to identify it first in case it is a rare variety and worthy of expert attention . ::g
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by fred » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:41 am

bazzerhut wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:44 am
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm
Ohhhh that was a probably done purposely- the fold I mean. Special find ::g

Yes, and significant enough to warrant recording with the FLO when the folding seems so plainly deliberate, given the possible votive/ritual dimension, which is of considerable archaeological and historical interest.

It's worth linking again to this excellent paper by Richard Kelleher with some fascinating discussion of the practice.

Barry

That is indeed a superb paper! Cheers for sharing ::g
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Re: Before and after photos of folded hammered for ID please

Post by Giz » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:19 am

Point taken all. In the future if I'm lucky enough to find a purposefully bent hammered. I will leave it be. ::g
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