tiny annular brooch - new pics added

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tiny annular brooch - new pics added

Post by Billy Doyle » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:17 pm

Update:
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Out yesterday evening for a spot of after-work 'tecting and I found what I believe to be my first Annular Brooch...

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It was right on the surface (almost)

Gave a pretty reasonable signal

Almost threw it away thinking it was scrap! x;

But is it machine made or man made?

The main thing, it is TINY!!!

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Any ideas?

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Re: Annular Brooch?

Post by Koala » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:35 pm

Can't tell from the photos is age. What's the other side like. What's it made of.


Nice brooch. Well done.

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Re: Annular Brooch?

Post by Fisher1266X » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:37 pm

A lovely Medieval annular brooch Billy ::g
Hopefully there may be more Medieval artefacts/coins in that area.
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Re: Annular Brooch?

Post by fred » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:41 pm

Fisher1266X wrote:A lovely Medieval annular brooch Billy ::g
Hopefully there may be more Medieval artefacts/coins in that area.
I agree, very nice too. ::g What is it made of? :D

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Re: Annular Brooch?

Post by Billy Doyle » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:00 pm

Well, I never thought to check for what metal it is, so just tested with the spit and foil, and it is silver! :-O

The back is very plain, just flat. Can take a picture but there's not much to see to be honest.

Any thoughts on what it might have been used for? It's so small 8-|

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by Stillburning » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:18 pm

Very nice find, well done ::g
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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by jcmaloney » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:25 pm

Nice little turreted Medieval childs annular brooch.....welcome to Treasure. ::g

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by sweepstick47 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:43 pm

Hello 'Billy Doyle' ::g -That's an unusual sized example and well worthy of a call to the Flo. Well done ::g Regards ss47
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Re: Annular Brooch?

Post by fred » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:56 pm

Billy Doyle wrote:Well, I never thought to check for what metal it is, so just tested with the spit and foil, and it is silver! :-O

The back is very plain, just flat. Can take a picture but there's not much to see to be honest.

Any thoughts on what it might have been used for? It's so small 8-|

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Well done, that be treasure Billy Doyle! ::g :D

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by jcmaloney » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:41 pm

sweepstick47 wrote:Hello 'Billy Doyle' ::g -That's an unusual sized example and well worthy of a call to the Flo. Well done ::g Regards ss47
Or do the proper legal thing and notify the local coroner. The FLO can come into the equation later....

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by Billy Doyle » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:48 pm

Don't worry, I'll be contacting my FLO after easter. The least I can do is let her have a nice weekend. Fingers crossed the weather is okay for the rest of it, giving me a chance to find some more goodies before Tuesday ::g

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by jcmaloney » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:11 pm

Just e-mail your local coroner....... the FLO has no legal power and the law says you should notify the coroner. The FLO will have the item off you faster than candy from a kid. ::g

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:17 pm

Congratulations - beautiful brooch l;.
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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by fred » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:53 pm

jcmaloney wrote:Just e-mail your local coroner....... the FLO has no legal power and the law says you should notify the coroner. The FLO will have the item off you faster than candy from a kid. ::g
An FLO really does now have the designated legal authority to act on behalf of the Coroner. While the Coroner retains overall responsibility for treasure notifying an FLO of possible treasure is exactly the same in law as notifying a Coroner. There is also the added practical advantage that when you contact an FLO you can arrange to hand the item over at the same time. ::g

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by sweepstick47 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:50 pm

jcmaloney wrote:
sweepstick47 wrote:Hello 'Billy Doyle' ::g -That's an unusual sized example and well worthy of a call to the Flo. Well done ::g Regards ss47
Or do the proper legal thing and notify the local coroner. The FLO can come into the equation later....
Surely, the 'proper' thing to do would be to obtain a positive identification of the item first, by for example alerting the FLO before notifying the Coroner that an inquest 'may be required' (if the find is subsequently correctly identified and found to fall within the reporting criteria). Rather this than end up disrupting the Coroners 'Court Schedule' on an assumption. (not to mention the very public 'egg on the face' to contend with. It just seems so more logical and practical in my view.

Having said that, I'd be the last person to testify as to the practicality and logic of some of the decisions arrived at via our current legal processes :-O :D Regards ss47
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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by fred » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:01 pm

sweepstick47 wrote:
jcmaloney wrote:
sweepstick47 wrote:Hello 'Billy Doyle' ::g -That's an unusual sized example and well worthy of a call to the Flo. Well done ::g Regards ss47
Or do the proper legal thing and notify the local coroner. The FLO can come into the equation later....
Surely, the 'proper' thing to do would be to obtain a positive identification of the item first, by for example alerting the FLO before notifying the Coroner that an inquest 'may be required' (if the find is subsequently correctly identified and found to fall within the reporting criteria). Rather this than end up disrupting the Coroners 'Court Schedule' on an assumption. (not to mention the very public 'egg on the face' to contend with. It just seems so more logical and practical in my view.

Having said that, I'd be the last person to testify as to the practicality and logic of some of the decisions arrived at via our current legal processes :-O :D Regards ss47
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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:30 pm

Gawd the argument of coroner v FLO gets covered every time treasure may/ has been found. The answer is either will do, and the suggestion a positive ID being sought first sounds very sensible. Great find, let's keep it focussed on the beautiful brooch :D
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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by Koala » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:25 am

Anyone got a reference to such a small brooch, silver, with raised decoration.

Been looking can't find a similar one.

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Re: Silver annular brooch

Post by Billy Doyle » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:17 am

I have taken some new picture as the previous ones did not do it justice. It has been cleaned to get the dirt off and I hope you like the results [:)

Here it is amongst the other bits I found on that session - it is on the far right if you can't see it!
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Here it is next to a 20p so you can see how small it is:
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Front:
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Back:
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It was found using my Deus, the 9" HF coil on my adapted 'SidHFPro' program at about an inch or two below the surface. A clean signal in the 40's IIRC

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Re: Silver annular brooch - New pics added

Post by fred » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:44 pm

That is extremely small indeed, even for an annular brooch. I think that you might well have a Medieval toy annular brooch in silver. It must have belonged to somebody very important indeed and I suspect that it will turn out to be rather special and pretty important. Very well done. ::g

There are plenty of examples online of full size one decorated in a similar manner but nothing that small as far as I can tell.

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Re: Silver annular brooch - New pics added

Post by Koala » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:14 pm

Nice photos really does show how small it is.


If its under 7.8 grams it would not require a hallmark.


I wounded if the flats side is the top and the post are for riveting it to something else ??

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Re: Silver annular brooch - New pics added

Post by amphora » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:18 pm

Nice one!! ::g
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Re: Silver annular brooch - New pics added

Post by JBM » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:56 pm

Nice find well saved.

Its the smallest that I have ever seen.

Could have belonged to a child in the 14th century era.

Have fun with the PAS. ;) Jerry.
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Re: Silver annular brooch - New pics added

Post by fred » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:01 pm

[quote="Koala"]Nice photos really does show how small it is.


If its under 7.8 grams it would not require a hallmark.


I wounded if the flats side is the top and the post are for riveting it to something else ??[/quote

I suspect that it is from way before people would even be thinking in terms of a hallmark. ::g
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Re: Silver annular brooch - New pics added

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:03 pm

It really is tiny!!!! Great bit of detecting as that would have been so easy to miss ::g
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Re: tiny annular brooch - new pics added

Post by littleboot » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:43 pm

I suspect that it is from way before people would even be thinking in terms of a hallmark.
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Well done BD! B-) Great way to start Easter! Looking forward to seeing what else that permission coughs up!
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Re: tiny annular brooch - new pics added

Post by Nectardetector » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:28 pm

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Re: tiny annular brooch - new pics added

Post by sweepstick47 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:14 pm

Thanks for the 'new pics' 'Billy Doyle' ::g The size is just astounding when seen 'scaled' ::g
I'm sure I won't be the only one hoping to see any follow-up developments. ::g Regards ss47
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Re: tiny annular brooch - new pics added

Post by fred » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:25 pm

Smallest one that I can find on the net is on the PAS db (LIN-347C15) and is 9mm across. What does your brooch actually measure across? :-/

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Re: tiny annular brooch - new pics added

Post by Billy Doyle » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:42 pm

fred wrote:Smallest one that I can find on the net is on the PAS db (LIN-347C15) and is 9mm across. What does your brooch actually measure across? :-/
The grid on pic 2 on the OP is in mm so I'd say it looks about 8mm.

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