Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

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Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:17 am

Hi all,
Help with this one greatly appreciated,it's been driving me bonkers.
Luckily Found on a steep gradient in very shallow natural soil over rocks in a horse field with Tesoro golden sabre set up as sensitive as possible with discrimination as low as possible.
Quite a signal..4 inches down right on top of the natural rock.
The field is near a medieval farmstead and down the hill towards the river from a hilltop fort with lots of phases of occupation.
I am at a loss,when it first appeared I thought it was a fishing priest.
Then noticed its hollow.
It's a bit wonky but very good quality casting.
The fine patina would say to me Georgian or thereabouts,
But being in such thin soil with no agriculture...
Could it be older?
Celtic bagpipe mouthpiece?
Lol
Thoughts appreciated.
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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by littleboot » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am

What is the inside like? Smooth or threaded?
If it has settled on rock then it could be old ....it has stopped it sinking as you obviously have concluded yourself.
I love the idea of a bagpipe mouthpiece.
GMP, Tesoro Invincible, wellies.

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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:56 am

littleboot wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am
What is the inside like? Smooth or threaded?
If it has settled on rock then it could be old ....it has stopped it sinking as you obviously have concluded yourself.
I love the idea of a bagpipe mouthpiece.
Hi..
The inside is as smooth as they come and narrows considerably towards the thin end.
One thought I had(dangerous for me) was something to do with a water fountain or such like.
I'm stumped!
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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by oldartefact » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:33 am

Could the ribbed end be used to couple up to a water hose???

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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:36 am

oldartefact wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:33 am
Could the ribbed end be used to couple up to a water hose???
Yes ,strong possibility,the ribs aren't graded in size and seem wonkily uniform.
Mind The open narrow end hole is tiny ,would be a thin jet of water.
Thanks for the thought...
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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by fred » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:45 am

I have absolutely no idea either but also love the idea of it being from ancient bagpipes. ::g

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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:48 am

fred wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:45 am
I have absolutely no idea either but also love the idea of it being from ancient bagpipes. ::g
That's settled then!
Think this one goes to be recorded and maybe they might ken.
"Oh yes that's a roman trumpet end"
The romans were active in the vicinity...
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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:29 pm

Hi again
Will give this a punt up the list
See if it rings any bells.
Any thoughts welcome...
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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by fred » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:08 pm

Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:29 pm
Hi again
Will give this a punt up the list
See if it rings any bells.
Any thoughts welcome...
Thank you
The spout off of a pair of bellows perhaps? :D

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Re: Bronze item help please!

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:08 pm

fred wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:08 pm
Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:29 pm
Hi again
Will give this a punt up the list
See if it rings any bells.
Any thoughts welcome...
Thank you
The spout off of a pair of bellows perhaps? :D
Do you know what?
That is an inspired thought.
If its not then it should be.
How old a set of bellows??
That's another question,
But given location and ground conditions is hard for me to say.
I've been having another look at it and there is the very faintest hint of a 'seam' on either 'Side',it's visible for most of the length.
Brazed together or a casting mould mark I have no idea
Got a friend with a brass foundry...get a metalworkers perspective.

Thanks everyone who's had a look/think on this one.
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Re: Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:06 am

Hi all
I think Fred has cracked the case
After having a look at a LOT of bellows,
It looks very much like what this is ,
The remains of a set of hand bellows.
I Wasn't too far off with part of a bagpipe.
Lol
The rapid narrowing of the internal diameter from one end to the other would certainly cause air to compress and whoosh (technical term) out.

Datewise hand bellows go back to the 13th century in Europe according to a
Good article on -
word press -the origin and use of bellows,especially in medieval europe
By guthrie Stewart.
So next time you see one-that's what it probably is.
Thanks to Fred and everybody else for thinking about it
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Re: Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

Post by oldartefact » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:16 am

Lowland wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:06 am
Hi all
I think Fred has cracked the case
After having a look at a LOT of bellows,
It looks very much like what this is ,
The remains of a set of hand bellows.
I Wasn't too far off with part of a bagpipe.
Lol
The rapid narrowing of the internal diameter from one end to the other would certainly cause air to compress and whoosh (technical term) out.

Datewise hand bellows go back to the 13th century in Europe according to a
Good article on -
word press -the origin and use of bellows,especially in medieval europe
By guthrie Stewart.
So next time you see one-that's what it probably is.
Thanks to Fred and everybody else for thinking about it
Any chance of putting up some links to the bellows parts that you've seen? ::g ::g ::g

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Re: Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:38 am

Hi oldartefact
Most of the images I can get that are close to similar are on Pinterest
Im not signed up yet,but the images come up on google.

The link above is on
Wordpress.com
My medieval foundry.
The origin and use of bellows ,especially in medieval Europe.
By Guthrie Stewart.
It's got some excellent information and contemporary illustrations.
One has a thirteenth century hand bellows in use.
Thanks for the interest
All the best
P.s I'm not up on how to do the link to a page that comes up in blue thing
Anybody help?
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Re: Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

Post by oldartefact » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:14 pm

to put a link into a post here ... first get the page up on the screen that you want to link to
then go ito the location bar at the top of the screen
click left on your mouse ,,, drag the pointer over the location.. then do a right click on your mouse ... select copy,,,
then move to your forum post ... and insert the link by doing a right mouse click ... and select paste
There you have it...
Whoever invented the tinternet and the garbage processes that goes with it needs putting up against a wall!!!

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Re: Bronze item poss. Bellows pipe ID

Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:50 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:14 pm
to put a link into a post here ... first get the page up on the screen that you want to link to
then go ito the location bar at the top of the screen
click left on your mouse ,,, drag the pointer over the location.. then do a right click on your mouse ... select copy,,,
then move to your forum post ... and insert the link by doing a right mouse click ... and select paste
There you have it...
Whoever invented the tinternet and the garbage processes that goes with it needs putting up against a wall!!!
Thank ye kindly good sir
It's going to have to be a really long wall.
Cheers
I shall try that when I get home from swinging a bleepy stick about a field.
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