Unusual Piece of lead.

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Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by JBM » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:31 pm

This unusual piece of lead with Roman numerals 6-7-8- 9. popped up.

It measures 150mm X 75mm X 3mm thick.

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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by coal digger » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:03 pm

Maybe a test piece for the quality of the stamps ?? ,cd ::g
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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:22 pm

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Whatever it is I like it.
Has the area it was found any history?
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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by fred » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:23 pm

VIIII isn't commonly used for 9 is it? :-/

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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by Blackadder43 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:37 pm

Found this from wiki
Alternative forms
A typical clock face with Roman numerals in Bad Salzdetfurth, Germany

The "standard" forms described above reflect typical modern usage rather than a universally accepted convention. Usage in ancient Rome varied greatly and remained inconsistent in medieval and modern times.[7]

Inscriptions dating from the Roman period sometimes use "additive" forms such as IIII and VIIII for "4" and "9" instead of IV and IX. There are even instances of both forms appearing within the same document.
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Re: Unusual Piece of lead. Avert your eyes if under sixty years of age

Post by fred » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:47 am

Mildly erotic content - you have been warned.

This bronze spintria (a brothel or gaming token) on the PAS Db seems to have a very similar design on one side (and there are plenty of others if you search):

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/455487

There is an interesting comment about the 'usual beaded border'. Also an hilarious description of it as ' an exciting find for London' which probably says more about my mind that the recorder's intentions. I could say a lot more about this but I am going to stick to solely considering the numerals. :D

PS The consistency and nature of the lead sheet should indicate whether this really is Roman lead or much later.

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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by JBM » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:45 am

Interesting replies but still no takers. ;) Jerry.

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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by Koala » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:31 am

The numbers look like they where cast in rather than stamped. Probably just identify which mold was used. If you have 10 molds and find a problem with a batch further down the line its handy to know which mold/worker is responsible.

As for what its from. Lead planters are probably the most common we find. Lots of other things use to be lead lined back in the day. Lets hope its not from a coffin :D

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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by littleboot » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:54 pm

The 9 being expressed as VIIII as opposed to IX is interesting. I have a 13th century Bulla where 4 is expressed IIII rather than IV. So the Medieval period can't be ruled out.
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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by JBM » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:39 pm

Thanks folks its nice when something a little different comes out.

I found this which relates to the Spanish VIIII for the 9th Roman Legion.



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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:22 pm

The plot thickens
It's an interesting bit of lead..
Just spotted,is that damage to the right hand side middle-
Or a pierced /cast in hole?
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Re: Unusual Piece of lead.

Post by JBM » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:37 pm

Yes, it could have been pinned to something. Jerry.

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