Lead artefact for ID

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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by oldartefact » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:13 pm

Steve_T wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:07 pm
oldartefact wrote:
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Never say i dont keep my promises!!
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If you dont love this ... then you dont love detecting !!! :)) :)) :))
Your a tease making people wait for that OA :)) ::g ::g

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But did you like it ... especially the PAS report saying that the finder was UNKNOWN ... how good id that?


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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Steve_T » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:15 pm

I bet there's at least a dozen people out checking their scrap buckets when they read this post
when they open the link you provided..... :)) :))

What a great story OA, you could dine out on that ::g ::g

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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Steve_T » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:18 pm

Come on gixer08...................have you dared prize it open?.....don't keep us in suspense

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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Easylife » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 pm

I bet some idle hand just folded their halfgroat up in the lead strip. Then later, maybe after a beer of three found a bit of scrap lead in their pocket and discarded it. :))
It was good but not that good OA, though a seriously lesson. I will have to check all my plain folded bits of scrap lead now, though they would all get another vetting before getting recycled. :D
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Easylife » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:26 pm

gixer08 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:54 pm
Butty wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:58 pm
On the last photo are those letters going across the join and a couple of small ones below?
I'm not sure if these markings could be interpreted as letters Butty , is this picture any clearer
Those marks are just a feeble attempt to seal in the treasure, I would have had the pearl out of the oyster by now. :))
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by oldartefact » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Easylife wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 pm
I bet some idle hand just folded their halfgroat up in the lead strip. Then later, maybe after a beer of three found a bit of scrap lead in their pocket and discarded it. :))
It was good but not that good OA, though a seriously lesson. I will have to check all my plain folded bits of scrap lead now, though they would all get another vetting before getting recycled. :D
obviously a hard man to impress..
1. someone finds the thing
2. person discards it
3. someone investigates the scrap bucket
4. person investigates a folded piece of lead ... who would normally do that???
5. BINGO and the rest is in the PAS report...
How often would that happen? and a brilliant coin too.
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Easylife » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:49 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm
Easylife wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 pm
I bet some idle hand just folded their halfgroat up in the lead strip. Then later, maybe after a beer of three found a bit of scrap lead in their pocket and discarded it. :))
It was good but not that good OA, though a seriously lesson. I will have to check all my plain folded bits of scrap lead now, though they would all get another vetting before getting recycled. :D
obviously a hard man to impress..
1. someone finds the thing
2. person discards it
3. someone investigates the scrap bucket
4. person investigates a folded piece of lead ... who would normally do that???
5. BINGO and the rest is in the PAS report...
How often would that happen? and a brilliant coin too.
It would be interesting to know why they actually placed the coin in the little lead time capsule and how common a custom it was. I hate to think how many great artefacts are discarded by newbies not realising what they are. A friend when a newbie was going to discard their scrap when someone recognized his BA spear tip. :D
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Lowland » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:52 pm

That is totally amazing ::g
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by oldartefact » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:12 pm

Easylife wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:49 pm
oldartefact wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm
Easylife wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 pm
I bet some idle hand just folded their halfgroat up in the lead strip. Then later, maybe after a beer of three found a bit of scrap lead in their pocket and discarded it. :))
It was good but not that good OA, though a seriously lesson. I will have to check all my plain folded bits of scrap lead now, though they would all get another vetting before getting recycled. :D
obviously a hard man to impress..
1. someone finds the thing
2. person discards it
3. someone investigates the scrap bucket
4. person investigates a folded piece of lead ... who would normally do that???
5. BINGO and the rest is in the PAS report...
How often would that happen? and a brilliant coin too.
It would be interesting to know why they actually placed the coin in the little lead time capsule and how common a custom it was. I hate to think how many great artefacts are discarded by newbies not realising what they are. A friend when a newbie was going to discard their scrap when someone recognized his BA spear tip. :D
I can imagine that there are those who might think a spearhead is a piece of scrap
though I am more likely to think that a piece of scrap is a spearhead..
What can be deduced from that?
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Easylife » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:52 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:12 pm
Easylife wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:49 pm
oldartefact wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm


obviously a hard man to impress..
1. someone finds the thing
2. person discards it
3. someone investigates the scrap bucket
4. person investigates a folded piece of lead ... who would normally do that???
5. BINGO and the rest is in the PAS report...
How often would that happen? and a brilliant coin too.
It would be interesting to know why they actually placed the coin in the little lead time capsule and how common a custom it was. I hate to think how many great artefacts are discarded by newbies not realising what they are. A friend when a newbie was going to discard their scrap when someone recognized his BA spear tip. :D
I can imagine that there are those who might think a spearhead is a piece of scrap
though I am more likely to think that a piece of scrap is a spearhead..
What can be deduced from that?
That it is better to err on the side of caution when in doubt!
But a spearhead would no doubt be a bit more obvious if wrapped in lead. :))
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Butty » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:03 pm

gixer08 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:54 pm
Butty wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:58 pm
On the last photo are those letters going across the join and a couple of small ones below?
I'm not sure if these markings could be interpreted as letters Butty , is this picture any clearer
A bit blurry for me h;@
Some sort of marks to seal the fold with a "tell tale" so that the spirits would know that someone had taken a peak inside?
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by oldartefact » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:19 pm

Butty wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:03 pm
gixer08 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:54 pm
Butty wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:58 pm
On the last photo are those letters going across the join and a couple of small ones below?
I'm not sure if these markings could be interpreted as letters Butty , is this picture any clearer
A bit blurry for me h;@
Some sort of marks to seal the fold with a "tell tale" so that the spirits would know that someone had taken a peak inside?
I had one similar, though smaller, and after I filled myself with spirits I opened the think and it was like my brain... totally blank!
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by gixer08 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:22 am

Ok guys just to put this matter to bed I opened the lead piece this morning , no hammie, no curse and no name of some long lost love . Just a piece of rusted metal that had run through the center of the lead probably to use as a weight . Thanks for all your input and the stories were some of the best I've heard . I suppose in a way that's what makes this fantastic hobby of ours so intriguing, the fact that you just never know that someday something so ordinary could turn out to be the find off a
lifetime . Thanks once again for your time and GL & HH
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Bfg » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:07 am

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I used to have & use something very similar to that. It was a plumb-line used in building.
Come to think of it - I might still have it. I'd forgotten how old I was ! =P~
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Rhumours » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:44 pm

As someone has already mentioned the marks or slashes could be Ogham marks an acient alphabet otherwise known as tree runes ... the message begins from the bottom and grows up. Course ... what's the bottom on that ... if they are even ogham markings. If they are the letters are either TO or OF depending which way is up. A clue that they could be is that they are made on the open end of the fold.

Sealing in the intent of the person who folded it. Even if it is a lead weight it may well have had these symbols marked on it for some form of .... help/prayer/support/offering while in use. Same as swords with runes carved on them or when we use runic symbology in letter writing.

Gebo or gift is made by two crossed staves 'X' and you will see them when we give them as a token of love in letters or cards.

Or ... it could just be dented lead.
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Lowland » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:30 pm

Cracking post.. u;@
To me the markings look intentional
Food for thought
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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Macroman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:19 pm

Hemm !!..very interesting piece and detected find
My thoughts on it are probably well wrong (as normal)...but I'm wondering if it was a piece of flint lock lead...that was commonly used on flintlock percussion weapons,
The small piece of lead was used on the hammer of the flintlock ,the lead was used on clamp the actual flint in place as a grip to stop it from moving when the weapon was fired...well as I said,it's just an idea.
Good hunting.. ::g

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Re: Lead artefact for ID

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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Macroman » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:23 am

As I said....it was just an idea ???... ::g

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Re: Lead artefact for ID

Post by Dom » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:56 am

Macroman wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:23 am
As I said....it was just an idea ???... ::g
Still opened my eyes to something I didn't know existed... gonna check my lead now and keep it in mind for the future.
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