R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

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R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Saki » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:52 pm

Hi all.
Haven't been out properly in weeks, with other commitmemts like work/kids etc
Stole a couple of hrs. And on arrival at my permission, the farmer stole 30 mins of that for a chat. Still, great to get out though.
Found on constant pasture next to stone wall and stone stile 100 mtrs from sea. I suspect from surroundings ( smalls piles/lumps of soil) that the soil in the "piles" has been thrown from over the wall. Also that it was found very shallow, 2-inch makes me think the same about the "moved" soil.
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Buoy is 12mm on the face and 14 mm across
Gun is 54mm

Sadly it is bent back on itself
Any info would be amazing, thanks for looking :D
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:08 pm

I like that. Lovely find ::g
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by sweepstick47 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:22 pm

Hello 'Saki' ::g I believe that's the first time I've seen a 'Bosun's Call' found with a metal detector!
I was once presented with one of these by my opposite number in the Navy. They are anything but easy to blow well!
An Interesting find which is worth a little research for dating. Good Luck ::g Regards ss47
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Rhumours » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:34 pm

Able seaman Sydney Compston details his life in the Navy and has a bosuns call pictured .... it appears to be a match for yours. Auctioned off when his colleague lost his life.

http://www.holywellhousepublishing.co.uk/Compston.html

As you've said the buoy on yours is sadly bent back against the gun. Other parts are the shackle or securing ring and the keel.

They were as I'm sure you're aware used to communicate commands when the weather prevented oral communication of orders. They are also used to pipe the captain aboard and at various other times.
Here is the handbook: The Boatswains Call Handbook
PDFwww.dundasseacadets.com › uploads › b...


This pdf shows a rather large collection of bosuns calls with information for each. And in fact you can find yours for sale on a well known auction site for around £6.00 ... which is stupidly cheap.

I'd love to find that you must be very chuffed ::g

Pdf document link: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sourc ... NEWHE1-eDG
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Saki » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:35 pm

sweepstick47 wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:22 pm
Hello 'Saki' ::g I believe that's the first time I've seen a 'Bosun's Call' found with a metal detector!
I was once presented with one of these by my opposite number in the Navy. They are anything but easy to blow well!
An Interesting find which is worth a little research for dating. Good Luck ::g Regards ss47
I'm looking at the size of the anchor eye. And the turn of the rope, which is more subtle than most I've seen. And they all look very similar.
Found a 1825-27 RN officers button in the same field. But I don't think this is that age. (Would Love to be wrong as I can then link them)
Scanning the archives for RN shipwrecks near the find.
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by sweepstick47 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:39 pm

Good Luck and I hope you get a positive dating for it ::g Regards ss47
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Koala » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:41 pm

Nice Unusal find.

I suspect its a replica/toy. Not got the kings/queen crown above the anchor.


There is a possibility that it's foreign as lots of countries use the fouled anchors


Here's a brass replica
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Post by Rhumours » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:47 pm

I don't think so koala .... you can see a serial number down the gun ... just but it looks like there is one
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Saki » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:53 pm

Rhumours wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:34 pm
.... it appears to be a match for yours.

I'd love to find that you must be very chuffed ::g

Hey Rhumours, thanks for that. And after many years sailing on west coasting Scotland up and around CapeWrath also diving , followed by over15 years with a marine emergency service in extreme conditions, my biggest fear on board was a whistle. Not a bosuns call but usually some young one, Old superstition I know, but the only one that got my goat.

Still looking for that distinct anchor eye ::g

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Nice Unusal find.

I suspect its a replica/toy. Not got the kings/queen crown above the anchor.
Koala, due to its size, I suspected the same

And R Humours,
That's not a serial number, but corrosion :D ::g
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Rhumours » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:59 pm

Corrosion huh. .. well there you go lol ... doesn't need numbers to be real .... but if it has them ...
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Saki » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:00 am

Koala wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:41 pm
Nice Unusal find.

I suspect its a replica/toy. Not got the kings/queen crown above the anchor.


There is a possibility that it's foreign as lots of countries use the fouled anchors


Here's a brass replica

whistle.jpg
Koala, I think you've found it! Your pic is identical. It was found only 2 inch down and from above you read my suspucions of soil movement. I wonder......?
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Saki » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:06 am

Rhumours wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:59 pm
Corrosion huh. .. well there you go lol ... doesn't need numbers to be real .... but if it has them ...

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Under a lens, it's clearly patina. and where my gentle toothbrush wasnt so gentle. Really not a number. h;@ Been scrutinising it with my magnifying glass for hrs. You may also notice in the other pic a kind of "mark" too, like a line. But again, it's nothing.
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Koala » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:15 am

Picture was from eBay. It's full of "iffy" ones

As an example I can buy a job lot of 50 USA replicas http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/25286395 ... rmvSB=true

Every silver one has a genuine King or Queens crown. Same with museum ones or no anchor at all and a broad arrow.

I don't think it will be modern but can visualise a young lad in shorts running around annoying every one.

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Post by Saki » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:19 am

Koala wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:15 am
Picture was from eBay. It's full of "iffy" ones

As an example I can buy a job lot of 50 USA replicas http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/25286395 ... rmvSB=true

Every silver one has a genuine King or Queens crown. Same with museum ones or no anchor at all and a broad arrow.

I don't think it will be modern but can visualise a young lad in shorts running around annoying every one.
Noticed a German imperial navy one, with crowned anchor...
But this find was also very close to a countryside lodge of a "well to do " Family. So could be the brats toy, ::g
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Rhumours » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:41 am

Saki wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:06 am
Rhumours wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:59 pm
Corrosion huh. .. well there you go lol ... doesn't need numbers to be real .... but if it has them ...

2018-03-16 23.57.26.png
Under a lens, it's clearly patina. and where my gentle toothbrush wasnt so gentle. Really not a number. h;@ Been scrutinising it with my magnifying glass for hrs. You may also notice in the other pic a kind of "mark" too, like a line. But again, it's nothing.
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Yes sadly it has to be id'd correctly even if that means it isn't what was hoped for. I'd say given the location and the numrous designs over the years that you'd be onto a fair shout. Until knowledge comes into it like that from Koala ...not the correct crown etc ... you cannot escape nor argue with that level of experience. Sorry dude ... but I'd love it if I found it ... l;. How could you not :D
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Koala » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:56 am

Still old
Still the first one I seen found metal detecting.

::g ::g ::g :D :D

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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by fred » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:01 am

I am slightly less convinced that it is a replica. It looks to have been buried quite a while and the crowns did vary a bit as many were privately made. Also the design looks flattened by wear exactly where I'd expect it to be. ::g

I'd hesitate to dismis this one without a handling it. The replica ones are a relatively modern phenomna simply because at one time there was no shortage of real ones. As they became collectable the replicas started to appear. If it is a replica then perhaps somebody used it as a dog whistle.

Found out after posting that Sea Scouts also carried them.
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Post by Stillburning » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:22 am

A very interesting find, as is the discussion regarding the ID ::g
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by JBM » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:33 am

Certainly not a everyday find.

Well saved.

Having said that its not the first one that has been found by a metal detectorist and posted up.

Happy Hunting,

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Post by Saki » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:00 am

I really was delighted with it. Shame it's bent back on itself and the "buoy" is also cracked slightly.
But gave a great feeling when found ::g
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Wessexlad » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:03 am

Rhumours wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:34 pm
Able seaman Sydney Compston details his life in the Navy and has a bosuns call pictured .... it appears to be a match for yours. Auctioned off when his colleague lost his life.

http://www.holywellhousepublishing.co.uk/Compston.html
That's an interesting read. I had no idea that that was the origin of the term 'pipe down'. Every day's a school day eh?
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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by fred » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:29 am

JBM wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:33 am
Certainly not a everyday find.

Well saved.

Having said that its not the first one that has been found by a metal detectorist and posted up.

Happy Hunting,

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Giz posted the remains of a much older one on here a few months ago! ::g

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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Koala » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:06 pm

Learn something new today

Boatswain's call not bosun's whistle. :D :D :D


Greenwich museum

Love this advert on the bay British Admiralty pattern Boatswain's (Bosun''s) Copper & Brass with chain

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Re: R N Bosuns whistle, Mid/Late 19th C?

Post by Ray » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:16 pm

That's a great find! I do like something a bit different. How did that ship get in your field?
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