Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

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Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:26 pm

Originally has this post on 'Finds ID,' but since it is obvious what it is, have moved it to 'Finds - Stories.'

Found this one today at the beach. It's an adult ring with a hallmark (that I will never make out.) I am not 100% sure what it is made of, though silver or pewter are at the top of the list.

Was found in a trench on the beach, where all the old stuff collects due to the action of the tide.

As for date, I am guessing in the region of 100 years old - could you please confirm? Also, is it possible that it was plated in something which has now worn away.

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Bors » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:35 pm

The green verdigris tinge on the shoulders looking at the first photo makes me think its going to be made of brass or bronze . Design wise, I`d guess at 1930`s upwards.
I call them " poor mans signet rings ".It almost certainly was gold plated at some time but its long gone by now,as being under the sand would finish any remaining plating off once the salt water got a hold.
Still a ring`s a ring and I`m sure it was a welcome find.

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:50 pm

Bors wrote:
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The green verdigris tinge on the shoulders looking at the first photo makes me think its going to be made of brass or bronze . Design wise, I`d guess at 1930`s upwards.
I call them " poor mans signet rings ".It almost certainly was gold plated at some time but its long gone by now,as being under the sand would finish any remaining plating off once the salt water got a hold.
Hi Bors. Thanks for the interesting comments. Somewhere around the 30's - quite probable. As you suggest, it is also probably a 'poor man's signet ring.'

I am not very good at identifying the metals, however I am not totally convinced it's brass or bronze. It was found in black sand, and normally the brass and bronze items come out looking like gold.

The ring looks like dull silver to me.
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Bors » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:56 pm

You might try rubbing it in some Tin foil with a lovely blob of Spit for a minute . Then bring it out and if you can smell a disgusting bad egg smell, its silver. ::g

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Pete E » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:03 pm

Does the fact it has some type of "hallmark" rule it out from being brass or copper ect or are similar "inscriptions" found on the inside of gold plated rings as well?
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Bors » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:07 pm

If we could have a clearer and nearer view of the "hallmark" ,that would help determine if its got an essay mark. As it is is a bit illegible in its present picture of it and could be just an electro Plated mark ,the type silver plated knifes and forks have , and Gold essay marks usually come in Small squares type marks where as the ring appears to have a continues band of letters or numbers in it .

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:22 pm

Did silver foil test on ring, and it's almost certainly silver - so maybe the owner wasn't so poor after all.

I am afraid as for the hallmark, even using a magnifying app on my phone, I just can't make it out.
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:23 pm

Pete E wrote:
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Does the fact it has some type of "hallmark" rule it out from being brass or copper ect or are similar "inscriptions" found on the inside of gold plated rings as well?
I am not 100% sure. All I can say is that I've found 'hallmarks' on fake silver spoons i.e. the electroplated variety, and a 'poor man's ring' where all the gold plating had flaked off, leaving only a copper base.
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Bors » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:23 pm

well there`s a result after all. ::g It just might be its a foreign type ring possibly .

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:36 pm

Bors wrote:
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well there`s a result after all. ::g It just might be its a foreign type ring possibly .
Yes, not bad find on a day of very few finds. I reckon it is local though - seen similar designs before.

Oddly, it has 'hallmarks/lettering' on opposite sides of the ring, something I've not seen before. Unfortunately I won't be able to read the inscriptions, as I simply don't have the 'tech' to do so.

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Bors » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:39 pm

well it was fun to "investigate it" anyway ,and added some entertainment to an otherwise dull evening . ::g maybe try buying a little 10x loupe off ebay for jobs like seeing assay marks , better than a phone as you can get in closer . I carry one when detecting .

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Easylife » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:48 pm

Looks like a makers mark and perhaps ring size 'V' which would be about 20mm diameter? x;
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:52 pm

Easylife wrote:
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Looks like a makers mark and perhaps ring size 'V' which would be about 20mm diameter? x;
Well spotted, it is exactly 20mm!
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Easylife » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:55 pm

detectorman5050 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:52 pm
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:48 pm
Looks like a makers mark and perhaps ring size 'V' which would be about 20mm diameter? x;
Well spotted, it is exactly 20mm!
You may as well take your best shot of the opposite hallmark then. ::g
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:06 pm

Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:55 pm
detectorman5050 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:52 pm
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:48 pm
Looks like a makers mark and perhaps ring size 'V' which would be about 20mm diameter? x;
Well spotted, it is exactly 20mm!
You may as well take your best shot of the opposite hallmark then. ::g
I am afraid below is as good as it will get on an my iPhone. All I can say is, it is the longest ever hallmark I've seen so far! It looks more like a full name to me, possibly ending in an R?

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Easylife » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:21 pm

detectorman5050 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:06 pm
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:55 pm
detectorman5050 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:52 pm


Well spotted, it is exactly 20mm!
You may as well take your best shot of the opposite hallmark then. ::g
I am afraid below is as good as it will get on an my iPhone. All I can say is, it is the longest ever hallmark I've seen so far! It looks more like a full name to me, possibly ending in an R?

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It should be something like '925 silver', but looks quite different? x;
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by detectorman5050 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:32 pm

Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:21 pm
detectorman5050 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:06 pm
Easylife wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:55 pm

You may as well take your best shot of the opposite hallmark then. ::g
I am afraid below is as good as it will get on an my iPhone. All I can say is, it is the longest ever hallmark I've seen so far! It looks more like a full name to me, possibly ending in an R?

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It should be something like '925 silver', but looks quite different? x;

It could possibly be '925 silver.' Certainly looks like it ends in 'ER.' I will need to invest in a loupe!
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by fred » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:40 pm

You are spoiled for choice for marks on silver. As it's an older one it's more likely to be silver, sterling or a contraction of one of them plus a few makers marks. If it's a foreigner you're probably going to be out of luck. ::g The marks actually look clear enough but the photos really need to be proper closeups to show the detail. :D
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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by RossDG » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:47 am

Please dont take this the wrong way...but maybe cleaning the camera lens might help, or ensure the light is not falling directly on the camera lens when you take the pics; the images look foggy as opposed to unsharp, usually caused by a dirty lens or incident light. Might help to see those marks better!

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Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:36 pm

RossDG wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:47 am
Please dont take this the wrong way...but maybe cleaning the camera lens might help, or ensure the light is not falling directly on the camera lens when you take the pics; the images look foggy as opposed to unsharp, usually caused by a dirty lens or incident light. Might help to see those marks better!

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Hi Ross. I will clean the lens of the iPhone, since I was out on the beach it's quite possible water got on to it.

I reckon the 'fog' however, could be due to the iPhone focus on the inside of the ring to try and capture the hallmark, leading to the outside of the ring being out of focus.

I will also try positioning the light behind me.

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Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:15 pm

I tried some of Ross's tips, and tried again. I'd say the image quality is better. It would certainly seem to say 925 at the beginning, and silver at the end.

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Post by detectorman5050 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:13 pm

I've managed to get a clearer photo, of the 'maker's mark' on this ring. I've post 2 photos below, as I'm not sure if it should be facing upwards or downwards.

For seem reason, I can't see any of the usual hallmark symbols, e.g. a lion, or a tree etc. Any ideas why?

Personally, I seem to be seeing 'JNW.' If that is the case, then some brief research indicates a possible link to Birmingham (where a lot of my finds seem to be from.)

Do you reckon that it says 'JNW'?

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by littleboot » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:23 pm

It crossed my mind it could be Russian. x;
Perhaps I've had too much vin rouge.
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Post by detectorman5050 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:31 pm

littleboot wrote:
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It crossed my mind it could be Russian. x;
Perhaps I've had too much vin rouge.
Any reason why you think it might be Russian? Also, if it was Russian, would it say '925 silver' on it?
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Post by littleboot » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:56 pm

Well I did say I'd had a tad of vin rouge. :D
Just the look of the makers mark at first seemed it may be in the Russian alphabet. x; The 925 SILVER mark doesn't mean it wasn't imported. But, you are right. Most improbable.
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Post by detectorman5050 » Wed May 22, 2019 1:15 pm

I cleaned this ring up, and can now clearly make out the makers mark - it is 'JHW.' Supposedly John Henry Wynn who was active in Birmingham around the start of the 20th Century as a ring maker/jeweller.

http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33330

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Spanish digger » Wed May 22, 2019 6:58 pm

Think it reads 925kt silver

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Re: Vintage Ring Found at Beach Today

Post by Bibelot » Thu May 23, 2019 8:46 am

put distilled water in a pan with a square sheet of aluminum foil in the bottom of the pan , once boiling, put a table spoon of baking soda in and the ring on top of the aluminum foil, it will clean the ring up like new, the aluminum foil now will wear everything the ring had on it... It's science at work.
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