Inside of a Crotal bell

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Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Dave The Slave » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:44 pm

Found this last week and with the Euphoria of finding the Republican Denarius, did not realise what it was. So special thanks to Steve T and Littleboot for highlighting it.
When found it was very squashed and caked and filled with soil. Just assumed it was a 20th Century bell of sorts.
Decided to prise it open with padded pliers to get a better view, without going too far as to break it. Basically have 3/4 of the bell, only previously found a Robert Wells fragment, co- incidentally on my 8th visit to a site, where minutes later I found my other Denarius, exactly the same stats as on this occasion..
For those of you who have only found complete bells, here is the Haynes-esque inside photo.Image.
No suspension loop/ dangler , so must have had a loose ball inside.
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A plain design and in its oval shape after being squashed against a rock by Big Bertha as the 12 plus tonnes of the John Deere 2064 Combine is affectionately known as, now measures around 50mm x 25mm, circumference is 116mm giving a diameter of approx. 37mm or 1.5 inches when made.
Special thanks to Big Bertha for forming the above images.
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Blackadder43 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:50 pm

Cause you found it last week and it is a find i think it deserves its place in this forum fella
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 pm

That's a sheet metal bell, so is older than most of the crotal bells that we find ::g

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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:19 pm

Thats a lovely one. Never found a sheet metal one. Cool B-)
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by kenleyboy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:52 pm

I think they are fascinating items to find whether in part or complete . I have only ever found one complete crotal bell but plenty of fragments etc . Simple things but beautifully made with some tasteful decoration . Good find and well worth keeping .
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Easylife » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:38 am

Buriedbytime&dust wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 pm
That's a sheet metal bell, so is older than most of the crotal bells that we find ::g
What? :-/
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by HolzHammer » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:38 am

Easylife wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:38 am
Buriedbytime&dust wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 pm
That's a sheet metal bell, so is older than most of the crotal bells that we find ::g
What? :-/
Surely you mean more modern than most the crotal bells we find...?

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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Lowland » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:02 am

Morning-here’s some good chronological info....
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/crotal-bells.html
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:03 am

Lowland wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:02 am
Morning-here’s some good chronological info....
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/crotal-bells.html
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Yup its believed to be 13-15th century. It doesn’t feel right though does it?
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:23 am

HolzHammer wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:38 am
Easylife wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:38 am
Buriedbytime&dust wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 pm
That's a sheet metal bell, so is older than most of the crotal bells that we find ::g
What? :-/
Surely you mean more modern than most the crotal bells we find...?
Nope. As Lowland's link shows, sheet metal crotal bells pre-date the more commonly found type.

I've only ever found a broken half of one, and I must admit I didn't think it looked like it had much age to it until I researched them. They ain't pretty, but they are old ::g

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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Easylife » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:07 pm

Gee, I bet a few or those have gone with the scrap! :D
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Dave The Slave » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:51 pm

Easylife wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:07 pm
Gee, I bet a few or those have gone with the scrap! :D
You could be right.
Good link Lowland, had already looked but once again more knowledge to add.
This hobby never ceases to amaze me, something I thought was 20th C, could be earlier than most of the Bells posted on here.
Another item for the FLO next year.
Thanks for all the replies and Good Luck on your next detecting trips ::g
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:35 pm

Here's my rather sorry looking example. I'd imagine a complete one of these would be a rare beast - they're extremely brittle and fragile.
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Re: Inside of a Crotal bell

Post by HolzHammer » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:41 pm

Buriedbytime&dust wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:23 am
HolzHammer wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:38 am
Easylife wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:38 am

What? :-/
Surely you mean more modern than most the crotal bells we find...?
Nope. As Lowland's link shows, sheet metal crotal bells pre-date the more commonly found type.

I've only ever found a broken half of one, and I must admit I didn't think it looked like it had much age to it until I researched them. They ain't pretty, but they are old ::g
Fair dos Buriedbytime&dust I'll crawl back under my little rock! I'm sure I've discarded a broken one or two - rats! Thanks for the lesson!

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