Rare Roman find

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Rare Roman find

Post by pengles » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:07 am

I've been assisting with an archaeological exploration of a Roman Temple site. and along with excavating pits etc have been tasked with the detecting. I found this item and had no idea about it. The head archy wasn't too sure either, but has now had it looked at and identified. His summary follows. I've removed any reference to locations etc for obvious reasons. To be honest, I had it down as maybe Victorian.

"I’ve identified it as the silver handle for a Roman priest’s ritual ceremonial rattle. The curved end would have had soldered to it a thin-walled circular metal box containing metal balls that would rattle when shaken. This would have been done at key points in the ritual ceremony and would command the attention of the congregation as well as invoke the goodwill of the deities. You can see solder still adhering to the curved end in my photo.

There is a longer handle of a similar rattle from a Roman temple treasure hoard. It is made of copper-alloy. Your example is the only one of silver of which I am aware. They are rare finds."

Pleased as punch about this one.
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:17 am

Just shows you that stuff that looks Victorian sometimes ain’t :-O Very interesting and important find. Thank you for educating us ::g
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by alloverover » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:17 am

That's not an evryday find Pengles ::g

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by thefiggis » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:40 am

Cor. Right up my street, is that ::g
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Mike. T. » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:05 am

::g

I'd have had that down as a handle from a 1970's razor. :))

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by benny » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:06 am

fascinating find, well saved. Benny

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Dave The Slave » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:15 pm

Unique find, of something you would not have even knew ever existed.
Amazing what we learn through the discoveries and subsequent research on here.
Well Found, ::g
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by sweepstick47 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:59 pm

What a brilliant find, a proper 'stonker' ::g It's a totally new one for me too so thanks very much for sharing it. I think 'pleased as Punch' would be judged a little modest in describing your delight!
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Allectus » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:04 pm

What's the slot & hole all about? x;

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Allectus » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 pm

Allectus wrote:
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What's the slot & hole all about? x;

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It looks machined with a machined slot? Got some better pics?

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Craig » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:04 pm

::g
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by TheAndyA » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:20 pm

Great find! ::g

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by roamingrob » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:24 pm

Thanks for sharing ::g
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by pengles » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:52 pm

Allectus wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 pm
Allectus wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:04 pm
What's the slot & hole all about? x;

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It looks machined with a machined slot? Got some better pics?

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Sorry, no more pics as the archy took that one and sent it to me. To be fair, originally I thought it looked a bit machined which tended to make me think Victorian, but It's going to the British Museum for final verification, so watch this space.
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Re: Rare Roman find. Update on ID

Post by pengles » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 am

Now been positively ID'd by the British Museum as being a rare Roman silver handle as stated above.
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Re: Rare Roman find. Update on ID

Post by Bradrick » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:47 am

pengles wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 am
Now been positively ID'd by the British Museum as being a rare Roman silver handle as stated above.
Excellent Pengles and well done. Definitely a new one on me... also a little scary when I think about the stuff we have 'binned' as modern in the past.

Nice one ::g
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by JunkFinder » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 am

I mean who am I to argue with the BM but the slot looks machined and the end looks to be rope knurled. A technique done on a lathe. Pretty sure the romans didn't have lathes.
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by coal digger » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:06 am

JunkFinder wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 am
I mean who am I to argue with the BM but the slot looks machined and the end looks to be rope knurled. A technique done on a lathe. Pretty sure the romans didn't have lathes.
Germanic slaves were their lathes, ::g Nice thing mate ,cd ::g
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Re: Rare Roman find. Update on ID

Post by Allectus » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:47 pm

pengles wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 am
Now been positively ID'd by the British Museum as being a rare Roman silver handle as stated above.
Blimey, that was quick! x;

Did they comment on the slot & countersunk hole?

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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by Allectus » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:49 pm

JunkFinder wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 am
I mean who am I to argue with the BM but the slot looks machined and the end looks to be rope knurled. A technique done on a lathe. Pretty sure the romans didn't have lathes.
Not just any old lathe...a CNC lathe/mill combi by the look of it! :))
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Re: Rare Roman find

Post by amphora » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:00 pm

Wunderfull ::g
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Just shows you that stuff that looks Victorian sometimes ain’t :-O Very interesting and important find. Thank you for educating us ::g

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Re: Rare Roman find. Update on ID

Post by pengles » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:42 pm

Allectus wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:47 pm
pengles wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 am
Now been positively ID'd by the British Museum as being a rare Roman silver handle as stated above.
Blimey, that was quick! x;

Did they comment on the slot & countersunk hole?

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