Small Roman Hoard

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Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:01 pm

Out on Friday with the missus in Northumberland and after about an hour she got a good signal with the Garrett 250. She began to dig but couldnt find anything with the pointer so asked me to check it with the AT Pro. It was a solid but soft signal so I jokingly told her to keep digging as it may be a deep hoard.
I started to walk away when she said she had some coins stuck together. I immediately recognised them as Roman and we continued to dig carefully as the pointer was finding more items about 18" down.
After about ten minutes the hole seemed empty and we were staring at around 25 Roman copper coins and several artefacts. I rang the flo straight away to report it and get advice on preservation and I am handing it over (reluctantly) on Tuesday. Hopefully I'll get it all back .
Thanks for looking and hope the photos are ok ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Lowland » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:10 pm

Nice find.
Well reported,i hope you get them back eventually...would look good in the display cabinet.
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Dave The Slave » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:48 pm

Well done.
Nice lot of detail left on the individual coins. Nice example of a Roman finger key.
Bet you can`t wait to get back for another search.
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Mega B » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:03 pm

Very well done and exciting news,i personally reckon that if you had found them at that depth and i am assuming the key was also near by then other items could well be in the same hole or location but deeper.

Well worth going over the same location with some more specialist kit methodically,it could be much bigger than what has all ready been found.
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:15 pm

All the items and coins were together in the same hole. Making me wonder why I didnt try digging deeper so might have another trip this week before the hole has a chance to reseal.

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Mega B » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:33 pm

Chalky14 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:15 pm
All the items and coins were together in the same hole. Making me wonder why I didnt try digging deeper so might have another trip this week before the hole has a chance to reseal.
It could well be worth while,you are not against the clock,but i honestly think other items could be deeper,the key was the big clue and eliminated in my mind a purse drop idea,if you are running a stock coil you could try running it in all metal mode or a bigger coil,or a Pulse machine that will give you the additional depth that the other possibly items are.

Good luck and well done on a stunning find/s
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:54 pm

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I don't have, or know anyone with, a better machine so I will have another go with the at Pro until I upgrade my technology. Cheers

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by coal digger » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:04 pm

Brilliant find mate,are you sure they are all bronze ;)
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by alloverover » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:18 pm

Item to the left of the key looks very much like a scabbard chape,,,,and as CD asks, are you sure they are bronze coins ?
Very nice find ::g ::g

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:21 pm

Unless there are some smaller silvers encased in the clumps then they are all copper. I think they may be asses judging by the size.

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by coal digger » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:28 pm

Chalky14 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Unless there are some smaller silvers encased in the clumps then they are all copper. I think they may be asses judging by the size.
What size is the Faustina senior coin..middle bottom,and also the Antoninus Pius above it,cd ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:31 pm

alloverover wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:18 pm
Item to the left of the key looks very much like a scabbard chape,,,,and as CD asks, are you sure they are bronze coins ?
Very nice find ::g ::g
Great call with the scabbard chape, over the moon with that. Pity it's not in better condition. Cheers

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:34 pm

coal digger wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:28 pm
Chalky14 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Unless there are some smaller silvers encased in the clumps then they are all copper. I think they may be asses judging by the size.
What size is the Faustina senior coin..middle bottom,and also the Antoninus Pius above it,cd ::g
The middle bottom coin is about 24 mm diameter horizontally across the portrait

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by coal digger » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:50 pm

Chalky14 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:34 pm
coal digger wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:28 pm
Chalky14 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Unless there are some smaller silvers encased in the clumps then they are all copper. I think they may be asses judging by the size.
What size is the Faustina senior coin..middle bottom,and also the Antoninus Pius above it,cd ::g
The middle bottom coin is about 24 mm diameter horizontally across the portrait
That would fit in to the A.s size,keep us updated with the results when you get them,cd ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by sweepstick47 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:41 pm

Hello 'Chalky14' ::g What a great discovery, very well done! Also, you were right 'on the ball' in contacting your FLO immediately ::g. I absolutely agree with other comments advising a more detailed search for additional items as it seems to me, from the mix of finds already made, there is a good chance that more items are likely in the area.

Here's wishing you the best of luck and I for one, look forward to any forthcoming related information. ::g Regards ss47
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Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:55 pm

Thanks for the comments everyone, I'll keep you posted. Here's a pic of the front of the Brooch, it still has quite a lot of detail.
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by JBM » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:58 pm

Well done. ::g Jerry.

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Post by alloverover » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:07 pm

It does seem a strange hoard if they are asses Chalky, to bury all those objects with coins worth roughly one and a half denarii ( 16 asses to one denarius ), it does make one wonder if there could be a lot more there ?

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Post by Chalky14 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:17 pm

You're right, it doesn't seem worth the effort to bury something with little monetary value so perhaps it was a satchel or bag which was dropped accidentally. The area has been marshy in the past so perhaps it was lost in water or mud. We'll never know for sure :-/

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by alloverover » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:33 pm

Chalky14 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:17 pm
You're right, it doesn't seem worth the effort to bury something with little monetary value so perhaps it was a satchel or bag which was dropped accidentally. The area has been marshy in the past so perhaps it was lost in water or mud. We'll never know for sure :-/
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by peteh » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:48 pm

Great finds! That key is amazing
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Post by Fisher1266X » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:35 pm

Great find indeed!

I too love the other artefacts mixed in with the coinage.
I'd be chuffed to bits with just the key!!!

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Post by the-roman » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:12 pm

Amazing finds mate, well done and hope there might be a little bit more in there ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Oxgirl36 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:05 pm

I'd like to think it might have been a child burying their stuff, hope it's not the remains from the pocket and clothing of someone who came to a sticky end, but hope it is just the start of something more.

Great story and nice finds ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by cantona1 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:05 am

Brilliant, everybodies dream find ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:01 pm

Quick update on the hoard. Went back to the site about a week later and found a small, lead, phallic pendant about 6 feet away. All items are safely with the flo and he has put a tentative date on them as 2nd century, probably Hadrian era.
Went back there today with him to do a small dig but had no luck finding anything else. All items are off to British museum next week. Cheers

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by fred » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:52 pm

coal digger wrote:
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Brilliant find mate,are you sure they are all bronze ;)
That was my first question. They look quite like encrusted denarii. I am also surprised to see the toggle amongst them.

Very well done. ::g
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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Mega B » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:10 pm

Thats a very interesting location and the finds are superb,i dont reckon its a purse loss or anything like that,but of course i could be wrong,but what is exciting is finding that key,of course it could be not related but when you have found these coins and the key and other items,then i still reckon it comes under more of a hoard related fine than a purse or casual loss.

Could well be alot deeper i think ::g
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Post by Me and my boy » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:24 pm

fred wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:52 pm
coal digger wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:04 pm
Brilliant find mate,are you sure they are all bronze ;)
That was my first question. They look quite like encrusted denarii. I am also surprised to see the toggle amongst them.

Very well done. ::g
My initial thoughts too regarding the encrusted silver denarii.

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Re: Small Roman Hoard

Post by Chalky14 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:37 pm

Someone else wondered if they could be crusty silvers but far too big to be denarii. Pretty sure they're copper asses.

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