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Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue May 22, 2018 6:52 pm

I just bought a cheap ultrasonic jewellery cleaner from Argos with the intention of using it on coins. It says instructions, to put the items in for 3 minutes. I can't see much cleaning of old crusty coins taking place in 3 minutes.

Have I just wasted my money?


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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Oxgirl36 » Tue May 22, 2018 6:54 pm

I have one. Used it twice on coins. It can be vicious x;

However excellent for cleaning my own jewellery :D
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue May 22, 2018 7:06 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:54 pm
I have one. Used it twice on coins. It can be vicious x;

However excellent for cleaning my own jewellery :D
Do you think it was the provided solution itself that was vicious? I am really skeptical that 3 minutes of 'vibrating water' could do anything to a coin?

Did you put the coins in for the recommended 3 minutes? I put them in for 15.

Most coins I find are very crusty, and I am not sure this 'ultrasonic' cleaner is the solution.
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by stevieB » Tue May 22, 2018 7:08 pm

I had one, paid about £25 for it, waste of time wish I had read some reviews before I bought it.

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Oxgirl36 » Tue May 22, 2018 7:17 pm

detectorman5050 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 7:06 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:54 pm
I have one. Used it twice on coins. It can be vicious x;

However excellent for cleaning my own jewellery :D
Do you think it was the provided solution itself that was vicious? I am really skeptical that 3 minutes of 'vibrating water' could do anything to a coin?

Did you put the coins in for the recommended 3 minutes? I put them in for 15.

Most coins I find are very crusty, and I am not sure this 'ultrasonic' cleaner is the solution.
I used plain water with a tiny squirt of washing up liquid. Even did one with just water. Have a play with a toasted coin and test it. It can just be very harsh on copper stuff x;
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by sweepstick47 » Tue May 22, 2018 7:23 pm

stevieB wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 7:08 pm
I had one, paid about £25 for it, waste of time wish I had read some reviews before I bought it.
Ultrasonic cleaners are not designed for cleaning coins however they are excellent in their job of cleaning jewellery and watch straps. The above is good advice and there are several opinions relating to their suitability/unsuitability on this forum. (see 'cleaning sub-forum)
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Phil2401 » Tue May 22, 2018 7:28 pm

The more muck you leave on the coin the better in my irrelevant view- just clean off enough to identify it.

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Steve_T » Tue May 22, 2018 8:05 pm

Try a decimal newish penny and see what it does, an older coin i suspect would get knackered pretty quick,

I would follow Ph8il2401 good advice

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by sanjuro » Tue May 22, 2018 8:17 pm

I have tried a few of these from the cheapo ones to one costing over a hundred quid and all are useless for coins and just about anything really even my dads dentures do not get clean in them so for me a complete waste of money.

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by chip » Tue May 22, 2018 8:24 pm

Thanks to this thread I ordered an ultrasonic cleaner from amazon then promptly cancelled it :D
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:31 pm

Phil2401 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 7:28 pm
The more muck you leave on the coin the better in my irrelevant view- just clean off enough to identify it.

Phil
I've got a kitchen cupboard that is now almost totally occupied by an ever increasing number of crusty old copper/bronze coins of little value.

I wanted to try and clean them up, and sell them on Ebay in batches if possible.

Possibly, a flawed plan? I don't know. :-/
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Koala » Tue May 22, 2018 8:40 pm

Moving on from cheap ultrasonic cleaners.


I did see one on a TV history program. It was an industrial one shown in the background but unfortunately not being used.

The conservatory just pointed out the equipment they use. The only ones i remeber were the ulrasonic cleaner and binocular microscope.





There was a temperature dial on the side but unable to read the setting.


I don't know which items went through this process
What temperature is used
What fluid is used
What frequency is used
How long the process takes

But it would appear that the professionals use them so have some value.

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Phil2401 » Tue May 22, 2018 9:07 pm

Koala wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:40 pm
Moving on from cheap ultrasonic cleaners.


I did see one on a TV history program. It was an industrial one shown in the background but unfortunately not being used.

The conservatory just pointed out the equipment they use. The only ones i remeber were the ulrasonic cleaner and binocular microscope.





There was a temperature dial on the side but unable to read the setting.


I don't know which items went through this process
What temperature is used
What fluid is used
What frequency is used
How long the process takes

But it would appear that the professionals use them so have some value.
That's the point really - professionals know what to use (or so they would have us believe) - I guess most of us have a collection of crusty old coins - we know roughly what they are but can't prove it. Does it matter? For example I have a couple of perfectly formed Roman Sestertii - can't see much detail on them but I know what they are... don't need to know any more. Somebody lost them best part of 2000 years ago and I was lucky enough to find them - that's the buzz.
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by djm666 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:08 pm

I have one I bought from amazon which has a timer that goes up to 30 minutes. I only use it to help shake off some stubborn mud from the general tat I find (buttons, etc). It can damage anything which is brittle or corroded (or plated) as it can shake off more than just mud.

To clean mud off anything delicate or valuable you can use a 10% sodium hexametaphosphate solution (I bought some on amazon or ebay, I forget which). It breaks down clay soils. Wash off any loose dirt then soak for up to 10 minutes. Be careful as some finds actually are better with a little dirt as it provides contrast for worn detail. It will affect patina if left for long periods. Stubborn dirt on Copper alloy is probably due to the dirt being attached with corrosion products. If you clean off the dirt it may not look better.

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by sweepstick47 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:15 pm

chip wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:24 pm
Thanks to this thread I ordered an ultrasonic cleaner from amazon then promptly cancelled it :D
Personally, I think that seems like a good decision ::g ss47
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Ten pence! » Tue May 22, 2018 11:15 pm

In my experience the cheap ultrasonics don't last very long, the transducer stuck to the bottom of the tank fails, the machine takes longer and longer to to the same job before finally packing in, I ended up buying a secondhand industrial USC that works efficiently and reliably, I could fit a pair of wellies in this one!

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Macroman » Wed May 23, 2018 12:19 am

A WASTE OF MONEY.....leave it on the shelf !!!...good hunting !!.. ::g

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Easylife » Wed May 23, 2018 12:54 am

All ultrasonic cleaners are not equal. I have a cheap one which usually a 5 second blast will remove all ingrained soil but only a few finds are suitable for this, others would lose detail. They do have their places.
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Lowland » Wed May 23, 2018 6:50 am

Hi
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Quoin » Wed May 23, 2018 8:29 am

detectorman5050 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:31 pm
Phil2401 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 7:28 pm
The more muck you leave on the coin the better in my irrelevant view- just clean off enough to identify it.

Phil
I've got a kitchen cupboard that is now almost totally occupied by an ever increasing number of crusty old copper/bronze coins of little value.

I wanted to try and clean them up, and sell them on Ebay in batches if possible.

Possibly, a flawed plan? I don't know. :-/
I've sold bags of copper coins on eBay. No need to clean them.

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by jlanders » Wed May 23, 2018 8:48 am

Koala wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:40 pm

What temperature is used
What fluid is used
What frequency is used
How long the process takes

The fluid, temperature and duration play a big role, this article may be useful https://www.kemet.co.uk/blog/cleaning/u ... ning-coins

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Blackadder43 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:20 am

detectorman5050 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:52 pm
I just bought a cheap ultrasonic jewellery cleaner from Argos with the intention of using it on coins. It says instructions, to put the items in for 3 minutes. I can't see much cleaning of old crusty coins taking place in 3 minutes.

Have I just wasted my money?
To be fair to the cleaner it is not marketed as something that will spruce up a coin that has been in a field for 457 years and has at least 2 mm of crud on it
They are designed to lightly tickle your necklace chains and remove all your dead skin!!
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Easylife » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:53 pm

My cheap ultrasonic cleaner lasted a couple of years used maybe once a week. It was ideal for removing ingrained soil mainly, but it's now making crackling and popping noises so not sounding very healthy and I think it needs to go in the dustbin. It's been really useful but I'm in two minds whether to replace it though. x;
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Luke Grey » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:14 pm

I bought one of the heated ones off eBay for £33 delivered.

It’s brilliant.

Throw vinegar and salt in it with no problem.50 degrees. No problem.

Did this with the Argos one and it devolped holes in the base.

It cost more and did not have heating

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by garrettoldboy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:29 pm

hello, have used one for years not so good on silver coins but with artifacts like crotal bells/ muddy items they work well, 5 mins in warm soapy water,

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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by Easylife » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:51 pm

Only after mine went kaput I learnt that you are supposed to degas the water for 10 mins to gain more effect - still, it did what I wanted. There's a few aluminium foil tests on that video site to test the effectiveness of your ultrasonic cleaner. Here's a more powerful one.
I bet you now try this with yours. :D
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Re: Cheap Argos Ultrasonic Cleaner

Post by poly » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:51 am

I use ultrasonic cleaners a lot in my work for cleaning up fossils, removing some fine grained sediment which may be obscuring fine detail. I would never buy a cheap one unless it’s to do something basic like cleaning modern jewellery, they have minimal controls and can be too aggressive. I am always impressed by the fact that nothing more than minute bubbles induced by high frequency pressure, sound, waves agitating water can produce stunning results. However if left too long in the cleaner a specimen can be ruined or as in one example I showed students completely fragmented. Better results can often be obtained using warm water and I always use mine setting the timer to just 30 seconds. Some of the better cleaners have heaters to warm the water but simply use warm tap water. I think the one I use at home cost me circa £150, but mine is used almost daily.
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