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buckles and electrolysis

Post by THE MOLE » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:18 pm

thought id have a go at cleaning some buckles i found last year, just to see how they turn out really.
i used the electrolisys method using water and a mixture of salt and washing soda, once the rust had come of them it left a black surface on which i used some zero grade wire wool and this is how they ended up.

what do you think ?. the top one is how they come out the ground for anybody who hasnt found one yet ::g
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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by arfur_sleep » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:24 pm

I think I prefer them as they came out of the ground to be honest.

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Post by egon999 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:30 pm

nice one. thought you had some silver when I first opened the pic up
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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by THE MOLE » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:41 pm

arfur_sleep wrote:I think I prefer them as they came out of the ground to be honest.
i normally dont clean them especially if its just a patina on them, these five were badly encrusted worse than the top one so thought id give it a go just to see what happened ::g
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Post by arfur_sleep » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:56 pm

I do agree especially when they are as bad as the first one. I have a friend who did electrolysis on a Denarious because the reverse so was badly corroded with crud and he couldn't make anything out so he had nothing to lose and the outcome was stunning.

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Post by THE MOLE » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:01 pm

you have to be careful with electrolysis on coins, copper ones will just disintegrate if left to long.
silvers ok but keep an eye on it, steel is great for rust removal, old tools etc come up great.

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Post by lord lovell » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:48 pm

i would leave as found as your striping out the history called patination ::g

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Post by THE MOLE » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:01 pm

lord lovell wrote:i would leave as found as your striping out the history called patination ::g
yep totally agree mate, but i have loads of em and i was bored and i dont think these are anything special just bridle buckles and not really that old
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Post by lord lovell » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:03 pm

lol yeah loads of thous buckles about i dont bother bringing them home now seem to follow us about them buckles ::g

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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by Fusion » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:17 pm

If you're in the mood for experimentation, it might be worth trying re-patination on these buckles, just for experimental purposes. The skills may be useful later, for example if you've annealed an item, like a squashed thimble, in order to re-shape it. This will likely wreck the original patina, so re-patination would be useful.
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Post by THE MOLE » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:46 pm

Fusion wrote:If you're in the mood for experimentation, it might be worth trying re-patination on these buckles, just for experimental purposes. The skills may be useful later, for example if you've annealed an item, like a squashed thimble, in order to re-shape it. This will likely wreck the original patina, so re-patination would be useful.
funnily enough i was going to try and re plate a penny with copper ;) , but i didnt have any copper ;;z

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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by Fusion » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:56 pm

You can buy specialist repatination chemicals in a variety of colours, green, brown etc. I think there's a bit of skill needed to get good results, hence practicing first is wise. You can also darken up copper alloy items by using a domestic oven. I'm not suggesting this is great for ancient artefacts, but it may be worth a try. Basically, put the artefact in the oven when you're cooking something - the heat and steam will darken the surface. Handling the item with naturally greasy fingers (or a bit of 'hair/forehead/nose grease', you know what I mean) can hasten the darkening. When I've tried it, I put the item on an old PC CPU (486-era, square ceramic package,lots of gold-plated legs), placed pins upwards. It allows the air to circulate, and won't mark the surface or react in any way.
Afterwards, depending on how it turns out, you could handle it a bit to put a little shine on it, or wax it. To repeat: not for your finest old items.
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Post by THE MOLE » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:50 am

might have a look into that sometime matey ::g

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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by DAVYBFAST » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:18 am

Its nice to see them as they looked before lost and how they looked when worn . ::g

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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by shanel82 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:58 pm

I like what you have done ::g , i myself clean some of my finds like this,i like bringing them back to there orignal look,i dont think you are doing any wrong cleaning buckles like the ones you have they are quite common ::g
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Post by 3pinplug » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:08 am

Looks really good and they have come up well, take my hat off to you for taking the time to try this and post the results for others, always great to see results of what can be achieved with different methods and this is exactly what encourages people to have a go at things themselves.

Can I ask what sort of dilution you used with the salt and washing soda and how you measured it i.e 1/2 teaspoon etc?

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Post by Spudtheplough » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:27 am

Great!

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Post by THE MOLE » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:20 am

3pinplug wrote:Looks really good and they have come up well, take my hat off to you for taking the time to try this and post the results for others, always great to see results of what can be achieved with different methods and this is exactly what encourages people to have a go at things themselves.

Can I ask what sort of dilution you used with the salt and washing soda and how you measured it i.e 1/2 teaspoon etc?

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washing soda 1 tablespoon in about 4 pints of water
salt, i just throw some in lol
i did use a 4amp battery charger for a bit more power than a phone charger.
they took a couple of hours to clean, then topped them off with some zero grade wire wool ::g

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not recommended for anything of value, these where just old bridal buckles just for the test
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Post by 3pinplug » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:56 am

Thanks Neil,

Very handy knowing the concentrations and had only ever seen poeple doing this with mobile phone chargers, the 4 amp battery charger is very useful to know.

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Re: buckles and electrolysis

Post by THE MOLE » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:31 am

dont use a battery charger on coins, way to much current ::g

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