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What do you make of this?

Post by Bargeman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:49 pm

I have to do some work at the big house on the right of this picture tomorrow, and I will be enquiring about getting permission to detect some of the extended (not garden) land, in the field behind the house is this large ring as evident in the picture. Now I am pretty certain it is not a "fairy" or "toadstool" ring, as they are normally not alone on a field, this one also appears to have an entrance feature due North?

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Steve_T » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:51 pm

I'm sure you have just realized the picture is not loaded, i bet your on it though ::g

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Steve_T » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:55 pm

Whats it like on historic view in GE, and lidar, any anomalies, looks interesting a good look at that needed on the ground to see it in context

(Not sure what happened, when i looked at your post the picture was not there :-/

And now it is ::g )

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:58 pm

Unlikely to be a roundhouse as it’s completely round with no entrance/ exit break I can see. You think there is one? The entrance/ exits are, I believe, generally south facing to minimise cold winds but I’m sure that’s not always the case. Could be lots of other things, including a ring made by tethering a horse via a pole and rope. More research needed i’m afraid.

Looks interesting though, and it’s near a house so always good ::g

Try LIDAR to see if a break is more obvious?

EDIT: I think this is a roundhouse on one of my permissions so you can see how the entrance area would look...
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by DionAstro » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:59 pm

Eliminating eskimos, my guess is it could have once been the site of an amateur observatory :-

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Bargeman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:05 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
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Unlikely to be a roundhouse as it’s completely round with no entrance/ exit break I can see. ::g

That is a good observation ::g I will show the house owner the picture tomorrow and ask if he knows


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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Phil2401 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:15 pm

BM - don't forget you are there to do some work on the house.....as suggested earlier, if it's covered by Lidar imaging that might be interesting....jammy bugger - you seem to get many good opportunities! Hope something comes of it :)

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Bargeman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:34 pm

It appears to be modern rl; oh well I will still be asking if there is a chance of some permission locally ::g



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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Easylife » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:37 pm

It looks like that garden was once divided into smaller linear sections. The old maps may give some clues. It is a pretty large circle, about the size of a house maybe. I would have to guess a fairy ring, there seems to be a smaller ring just above it. ;)
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Easylife » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:42 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:58 pm
I think this is a roundhouse on one of my permissions so you can see how the entrance area would look...
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A very interesting pic, there's certainly been a lot going off there. :)
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:52 pm

Easylife wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:42 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:58 pm
I think this is a roundhouse on one of my permissions so you can see how the entrance area would look...
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A very interesting pic, there's certainly been a lot going off there. :)
The history records are incredible too but it hasn’t been ploughed for possibly hundreds of years (certainly in the last 200) so finds are mainly Georgian or more modern ( see previous whistle and Jews harp post). Completely undetected too and can’t have been nighthawked as it’s like Fort Knox to get into. Should be a mine of medieval and earlier....

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by oldartefact » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:54 pm

Must be the fact that I only have one eye (for real) that I cant see anything. Have tried the magnifying glass and still cant see anything. While the rest of the population is enjoying 3-D imaging, I'm just left bozz-eyed. Thats life with one eye for you!!! -=+:-P -=+:-P -=+:-P
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by oldartefact » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:58 pm
Unlikely to be a roundhouse as it’s completely round with no entrance/ exit break I can see. You think there is one? The entrance/ exits are, I believe, generally south facing to minimise cold winds but I’m sure that’s not always the case. Could be lots of other things, including a ring made by tethering a horse via a pole and rope. More research needed i’m afraid.

Looks interesting though, and it’s near a house so always good ::g

Try LIDAR to see if a break is more obvious?

EDIT: I think this is a roundhouse on one of my permissions so you can see how the entrance area would look...

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I think that I read somewhere that the entrances open to the East, which should help nail the ID of a round house site. Hope that helps.
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:00 pm

Bargeman wrote:
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It appears to be modern rl; oh well I will still be asking if there is a chance of some permission locally ::g



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Hey it could still be worth having ::g Good luck on your quest for a local permission.
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:08 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:58 pm
Unlikely to be a roundhouse as it’s completely round with no entrance/ exit break I can see. You think there is one? The entrance/ exits are, I believe, generally south facing to minimise cold winds but I’m sure that’s not always the case. Could be lots of other things, including a ring made by tethering a horse via a pole and rope. More research needed i’m afraid.

Looks interesting though, and it’s near a house so always good ::g

Try LIDAR to see if a break is more obvious?

EDIT: I think this is a roundhouse on one of my permissions so you can see how the entrance area would look...

BD3DDC0A-37A4-4D18-989F-F609F8864F88.jpeg
I think that I read somewhere that the entrances open to the East, which should help nail the ID of a round house site. Hope that helps.
It seems it was south till around 1200, the east or south east... ::g

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‘The roundhouse provided good and effective shelter from the British climate, and it is scarcely surprising that there was just a single doorway. But it may seem odd that the direction the entrance faced was far from random. At first, roundhouses faced predominantly southward, but from c. 1200 b.c.e. onward the great majority of roundhouse doorways faced generally toward the east or southeast. Why? An obvious practical explanation is that by placing the entrance in this direction the roundhouse interior would be sheltered from the prevailing westerly winds and could be warmed by letting the early morning sunlight enter the house. Yet if westerly winds were the major factor, might there not be greater variation in orientation? It also seems curious that little attempt was made to avoid the elements in the actual siting of buildings and settlements. Furthermore, similar orientation practices seem to extend more widely—for example, to hill fort entrances, where the prevailing wind would hardly have been a consideration.’
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Wessexlad » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:10 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 pm
I think that I read somewhere that the entrances open to the East, which should help nail the ID of a round house site. Hope that helps.
A bit of a side point but this may be of some interest to some of you, but I'm reminded of this. When I was at uni in the early 90s, one of our lecturers was studying for his PhD. His area of interest was early churches in East Anglia. Apparently (and what he hoped to prove with his thesis), the churches were oriented to face the direction of the rising sun on the feast day of the saint to which they were dedicated. By studying the direction they now face on the saints' feast days, you could tell by how much the earth now deviated from that, and I would guess that this could be correlated with what is known about the movement of the earth's tilt over time. I never did find out if he achieved this but it's interesting to speculate on.
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Bargeman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:25 pm

Thanks, that is interesting ::g


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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Phil2401 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:35 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:54 pm
Must be the fact that I only have one eye (for real) that I cant see anything. Have tried the magnifying glass and still cant see anything. While the rest of the population is enjoying 3-D imaging, I'm just left bozz-eyed. Thats life with one eye for you!!! -=+:-P -=+:-P -=+:-P
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by littleboot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:51 pm

I tend to think the circle is a little too obvious to be a roundhouse....as in too clearly marked. I have convinced myself of similar features I've spotted in the past only for other images of the same area to debunk them most of the time.
Our house faces South East. A lot of sense in this because it means the front of the house is almost always an oasis of calm even in weather like the recent storm. If purely South facing we would get a lot more wind whistling around our front door.

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by dreadnought » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:53 pm

thats a big house, could it be on the sight of an older house that had extended gardens that had some kind of feature? pond, gazebo, grotto.
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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Rewvfr » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:19 pm

If you zoome in you can see faint circles in the same field so probably a tethered horse or goat.

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Re: What do you make of this?

Post by Bargeman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:33 pm

The house is new, but there were two former buildings, the outlines can be seen to the left of the hedge in the centre, one is above the other, one by the pool, the other below where the formal garden is ::g they are both shown on an 1800's map.


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