Software - the big debate!

Only for the discussion of the Deus Metal Detector.

What Deus software are you using and why?

Poll ended at Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:47 pm

Version 2.X
2
3%
Version 3.X
16
26%
Version 4.X
22
35%
Version 5.0
2
3%
Version 5.1
2
3%
Version 5.2
18
29%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by oldartefact » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:56 pm

Easylife wrote:
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The divide here is simply either up to V4.1, or, V5.0 and later. It generally seems to be if it ain't broke, then don't try to fix it, unless you bought an x35 coil. x;
Looking like there is a three way split from here x; :D OooO OooO


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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:00 pm

Easylife wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:25 pm
The divide here is simply either up to V4.1, or, V5.0 and later. It generally seems to be if it ain't broke, then don't try to fix it, unless you bought an x35 coil. x;
Hmmm not really sure I agree. Version 5.0 and 5.1 have problems, with v5.0 being very unstable, at least in my experience. I doubt anyone has stayed on these out of choice. I suspect it is those without the ability to move to 5.2 because they don’t have a controller or access to a windows computer. Or potentially because they are new to the Deus and don’t know what they are detecting with isn’t ideal :-/ . However had I chosen to cluster version 5 software into 1 choice it would have (at this point in time) been the most common with 20 of the 51 votes, compared to 18 for v4 and 12 for v3 and 1 for v2.

Ignoring those people who bought a machine with pre-installed software, I am guessing people mainly moved to v4 if you wanted to pair an Mi6 pinpointer or bought a HF coil. Or, in some cases, because they thought it might just be ‘better’. As it happens v4.1 is a brilliant upgrade.

People moved to v5 if they wanted the extra headphone functionality, or if you were using an X35 coil. Or again potentially because they thought it might be ‘better’.

Version 5 is not meant to change anything else about the existing detector experience - but it has. Hardly anyone (I think it was just 1 person) has mentioned moving to V5 for the extra headphone functionality. I thought that might be more important than it appears to be if you look at this survey.

It would be very interesting to do some real scientific tests of V5.2 versus V4.1, as the problems with the earlier versions of V5 have tainted what many of us think it can now deliver.

Anyway thats my current thinking 8-|
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by Easylife » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:08 am

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:00 pm
Easylife wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:25 pm
The divide here is simply either up to V4.1, or, V5.0 and later. It generally seems to be if it ain't broke, then don't try to fix it, unless you bought an x35 coil. x;
Hmmm not really sure I agree. Version 5.0 and 5.1 have problems, with v5.0 being very unstable, at least in my experience. I doubt anyone has stayed on these out of choice. I suspect it is those without the ability to move to 5.2 because they don’t have a controller or access to a windows computer. Or potentially because they are new to the Deus and don’t know what they are detecting with isn’t ideal :-/ . However had I chosen to cluster version 5 software into 1 choice it would have (at this point in time) been the most common with 20 of the 51 votes, compared to 18 for v4 and 12 for v3 and 1 for v2.

Ignoring those people who bought a machine with pre-installed software, I am guessing people mainly moved to v4 if you wanted to pair an Mi6 pinpointer or bought a HF coil. Or, in some cases, because they thought it might just be ‘better’. As it happens v4.1 is a brilliant upgrade.

People moved to v5 if they wanted the extra headphone functionality, or if you were using an X35 coil. Or again potentially because they thought it might be ‘better’.

Version 5 is not meant to change anything else about the existing detector experience - but it has. Hardly anyone (I think it was just 1 person) has mentioned moving to V5 for the extra headphone functionality. I thought that might be more important than it appears to be if you look at this survey.

It would be very interesting to do some real scientific tests of V5.2 versus V4.1, as the problems with the earlier versions of V5 have tainted what many of us think it can now deliver.

Anyway that's my current thinking 8-|
Ok, maybe I should have just said either up to V4.1 and V5.2, as we know that the lesser V5.x's are pants. It's all good up to V4.1, no matter what version if you don't have the x35. I disagree that you should cluster that V5.x results without clustering the V2 to V4.1 results as that is the divide where the software quite changed. Maybe others will agree or disagree on this? Personally V5.x just seems dumbed down to help cure the instability issues, though many will probably not really notice this if they don't know any better. I did some of my own tests of V5.2 vs V4.1 and was quite shocked at the loss of performance, but would still welcome some real world tests though. x; :D

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by f8met » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 am

You also may not be comparing apples to apples. Most would be on V5.x due to having the X coils where as a lot might still be on black coils with V4 or using HF coils.

The coils will make as much difference as the software. I don't feel the need to go up to V5 as I don't believe it will offer me anything over V4 with a black coil. My next coil purchase would probably be an X coil so I would have to upgrade. I am yet to be convinced the X coils offer much advantage in the UK.
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by john Colin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:28 am

f8met wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 am
You also may not be comparing apples to apples. Most would be on V5.x due to having the X coils where as a lot might still be on black coils with V4 or using HF coils.

The coils will make as much difference as the software. I don't feel the need to go up to V5 as I don't believe it will offer me anything over V4 with a black coil. My next coil purchase would probably be an X coil so I would have to upgrade. I am yet to be convinced the X coils offer much advantage in the UK.
A good point, it may be more interesting to poll what software with what coil works well and why?

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by shaggybfc » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:07 am

f8met wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 am
You also may not be comparing apples to apples. Most would be on V5.x due to having the X coils where as a lot might still be on black coils with V4 or using HF coils.

The coils will make as much difference as the software. I don't feel the need to go up to V5 as I don't believe it will offer me anything over V4 with a black coil. My next coil purchase would probably be an X coil so I would have to upgrade. I am yet to be convinced the X coils offer much advantage in the UK.
Absolutely. ::g
The software, even though it was designed to be comparable for all the coil, it's fundamentally different. It's like having Apples IOS and Android - technically do the same but differently.
With the X35 coil range, it needs the V5.2 software, and I for one have seen some great results from the combination.(not with V5.0 or V5.1, but certainly with V5.2)

Previous coils don't need the upgrade. There is no point upgrading if your'e using the older coils - with the caveat of the lite on increased WS4 functionality. (and I think this is an issue for those users). Putting V5.2 on the older coils will not give any benefit and may even decrease the performance of the machine.
For me, XP should have and still should make this clear to users. They shouldn't have called the V5x upgrade V5x, they should have called it Xcoil (or something to signify the difference)
It will be interesting to see what XP do with the next generation of updates - see if they stick with a single version or branch it off into 2 versions.(one for old coils, one for HF coils)
only my opinion, I could be way off the mark with it :D
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by chillidog » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm

5.1 no problems with my set up and happy with my find rate too :D ::g
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:06 pm

shaggybfc wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:07 am
It will be interesting to see what XP do with the next generation of updates - see if they stick with a single version or branch it off into 2 versions.(one for old coils, one for HF coils)
only my opinion, I could be way off the mark with it :D
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by chip » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:16 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:06 pm
shaggybfc wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:07 am
It will be interesting to see what XP do with the next generation of updates - see if they stick with a single version or branch it off into 2 versions.(one for old coils, one for HF coils)
only my opinion, I could be way off the mark with it :D
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And if you have 2 different types of coils what happens then?
That’s the million dollar question?
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by Kefyn » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:32 pm

V4.1, using the 11 inch standard coil, the hf elliptical and the mI-6 pointer.
Had no issues with v4.1 so see no point upgrading to v5 . ( not tempted by the new coil hype) 👍

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by oldartefact » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:51 pm

Land type x Version number x coil option x find outcome .. creates so many potential results as to render any comparison of version versus version ... a somewhat less than academic endeavor.
Its a bit like a random group of patients comparing their experience of aspirin vs ibuprofen, based on their own individual usage.. unfortunately the results/conclusions cannot be relied upon.
Version versus version stuff is admittedly very very interesting, but are any conclusions actionable? I suspect not. That said if we are comparing version vs version functionality, there is an awful lot we can learn from users of more recent versions, given that there have been functionality upgrades.
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by littleboot » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:14 pm

fred wrote:
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I had to laugh at the quote in Koala's post.

I can't think how i failed to spot that it was a part of some neoliberal global conspiracy, I just thought that it was French! :D
I dunno Fred, he may have a point. 8-| Its all kicking off over here, there is a blockade stopping me getting to the supermarket for booze, the petrol station has run out of fuel, and Paris is starting to resemble Beirut.

As an XP owner I read threads like this with great interest. It all seems so complex. All this changing and up-grades that turn out to confusing down-grades. Isn't it unnecessary? Surely all this fiddling must get difficult to re adjust to.
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by Steve_T » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:45 pm

Well summed up littleboot ::g

As mentioned many times its confidence in the machine, to much messing with settings and changing things can knock your confidence and I think it does have a negative effect

I doesn't help when claims from manufacturers that a new update will enhance with nothing coming from it or not working as claimed or buggy.

I rarely tweak my programme of choice and then only slightly so my confidence is high and my glass is always half full, and it has to be there to be found in the first place

But after all said above a lot of updates have come out when conditions have not been favourable due to the lack of moisture in the ground, but there must be something fundamentally wrong if there are constant updates,

I wonder if the updates are due to other competitors machines being launched with very good results from the get go and the updates and new coils are to retain allegiance. I don't need to mention the machines I refer to, we all know which I mean

It's all about profit and clever marketing, but get it wrong and they loose for a long time especially the price of a new coil compared to the price of a new change of brand and good second hand market price you can get.

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by shaggybfc » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:46 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:06 pm
shaggybfc wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:07 am
It will be interesting to see what XP do with the next generation of updates - see if they stick with a single version or branch it off into 2 versions.(one for old coils, one for HF coils)
only my opinion, I could be way off the mark with it :D
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And if you have 2 different types of coils what happens then?
It would be quite easy really. The unit is a small computer with plenty of computing power. At turn on, you select what set up you’re using. If older coils, it loads up V4.1 and if the newer HF X coils, it loads up X5.2. Having 2 programs on the same unit should not be insurmountable. ::g
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by oldartefact » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:50 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:00 pm
Easylife wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:25 pm
The divide here is simply either up to V4.1, or, V5.0 and later. It generally seems to be if it ain't broke, then don't try to fix it, unless you bought an x35 coil. x;
Hmmm not really sure I agree. Version 5.0 and 5.1 have problems, with v5.0 being very unstable, at least in my experience. I doubt anyone has stayed on these out of choice. I suspect it is those without the ability to move to 5.2 because they don’t have a controller or access to a windows computer. Or potentially because they are new to the Deus and don’t know what they are detecting with isn’t ideal :-/ . However had I chosen to cluster version 5 software into 1 choice it would have (at this point in time) been the most common with 20 of the 51 votes, compared to 18 for v4 and 12 for v3 and 1 for v2.

Ignoring those people who bought a machine with pre-installed software
Hi Jan, but didn't we all buy machines with pre-installed software... that said the only reason I dare not upgrade, is the very real potential that i will fry my coil, fry my control box, and fry my brain...
I really feel for all those people who have by their own fault or others, trashed their machines, and then have to wait on the good will of others to sort it out.
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by HolzHammer » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:52 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:16 pm
chip wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:08 pm
I have my deus full running 4.1 with both 9”hf and 11” original coil. Tried 5.2 due to purchasing a new 13” x35 coil and did not like it. So rather than move on the x35 coil and buy a standard 13” coil which would have been the sensible thing to do, I instead bought a another pair of ws4 headphones to use with the 13” x35 coil so I could keep my full deus as above 4.1.

This is added expense but atleast this way I could actually use the x35 should I choose to as before buying the second headphones it was of no use at all. Maybe with time I will grow to appreciate 5.2 or even what ever version they bring out next and I will upgrade all my kit to that version, in which case I will have a spare pair of headphones.
I did that for a bit but I don’t really like the WS4s. I know others that are doing it too.

I’m going to make myself stay with 5.2 for at least 20 hours of detecting then make a final decision on what I think of it. As you say we may grow to appreciate it ::g
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by coil » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:56 pm

Using 3.2 have done since out would not change at minute but may go 5.2 on other deus , if it's there I will find it no trouble with depth but got 11" coil been getting better results with 9" coil so will stay with that for a bit 6 years service can't beat it never tempted to get anything else hot program used ::g

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by coil » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:00 pm

Hi Holzhammer don't worry I know someone on 5.2 x35 coil does very well ::g

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by HolzHammer » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:09 pm

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Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:00 pm
Hi Holzhammer don't worry I know someone on 5.2 x35 coil does very well ::g
Thanks coil! Going to try it tomorrow... heres hoping - like many users I really like the 9" with 4.1 but I'll see how it goes!

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by alloverover » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:14 pm

coil wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:56 pm
Using 3.2 have done since out would not change at minute but may go 5.2 on other deus , if it's there I will find it no trouble with depth but got 11" coil been getting better results with 9" coil so will stay with that for a bit 6 years service can't beat it never tempted to get anything else hot program used ::g
3.2 for me as well, switch between several programs though, may one day update if I get a HF coil which I may well do but the 9" stock is what I use day-to-day, I got an 11" about 4 years ago but never rated it too highly ::g ::g

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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by chip » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:15 pm

HolzHammer wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:09 pm
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:00 pm
Hi Holzhammer don't worry I know someone on 5.2 x35 coil does very well ::g
Thanks coil! Going to try it tomorrow... heres hoping - like many users I really like the 9" with 4.1 but I'll see how it goes!
With holzhammers track record if he has not found two gold staters, a silver Roman and a Saxon penny by lunch time the x35 coil V5 combo is definitely iffy.
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Re: Software - the big debate!

Post by oldartefact » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:34 pm

littleboot wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:14 pm
fred wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:00 am
I had to laugh at the quote in Koala's post.
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Such sweet music to my ears.. and that is precisely why I stick to the old "Go Faster" program ... leave the doubts and cares behind ... in the sure knowledge that you're on the right track ... forget the versions ... the programs and every other variable ... just enjoy the experience and leave the rest to mother luck.
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