3030 Battery Pack

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3030 Battery Pack

Post by Bridex » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:28 pm

CTX3030 batteries (see my post http://www.metaldetectingforum.co.uk/vi ... 48&t=83377" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )
So I decided to replace the cells myself, my tools were a soldering iron, a T9 screwdriver, small sidecutters, 2 x 3" of insulated red wire and 1 x 3" of black insulated wire.

The original cells in my battery pack are 3.6v 4400mAh x 4. Replacement Li-ion cells came from a well known auction site were 3.6v 6600mAh x 4, so a +50% capacity. I bought 'tagged' cells which make replacement easier.
The four cells are configured in a series-parallel format to provide the required 7.2v @ 6600mAh capacity.
I noted the polarity of the original cells and then I de-soldered the original batteries from the charge protector which remains in the battery pod. I then arranged my new cells in the series-parallel format soldering the tags and adding the 2 x 3" of red and 1 x 3" of black wire. One red (positive) and one black (negative) wire are connected to the 7.2v output and the other red wire is connected to the 3.6v output - this wire is connected to the positve voltage supply for the charge protector.
Half an hours work and at a cost of £23.99 ............. a saving of over £100 !!

My next project is to replace the battery in my WM10 unit, this battery has its own charge protector built-in so will be much easier to do. The battery for this cost me just £6.78. Now I'm not sure if this is a repairable item, the 3030 battery pack is not, so its probable the WM10 is the same, however replacement of this is £180 - a lot of money if its just the battery!

This is how I repaired my battery pack, it is not a 'how to do it', so I will not accept any responsibility if someone does theirs and it all goes wrong.

Do not attempt this unless you are competent to do so.


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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by Fusion » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:13 pm

What size cells are these? If they are 18650, I would say anything over 3500mAh is likely to be fraudulent, and may well have a rather low capacity. Better to buy known brand cells, from a reputable dealer, than 'claimed 5000mAh' cells from China.(there's some out there claiming 8000 !)
As a guide, Panasonic brand ones are 3400 mAh.
Unfortunately, it's a nuisance to determine capacity, without constant-current discharge equipment,etc.

It's also worth pointing out (for anyone else's benefit) that some cells are longer than standard, and may not physically fit, they're supposed to be 65mm, but many are up to 4mm longer, some of which depends if they're button topped or flat.

I see the packs are described as 34 Wh, which if you take their 'nominal' voltage as 7.2V, works out as 4700 mAh, that would be 4 cells of about 2400 mAh each? Unless there are two types of battery packs? (like some laptop computers)
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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by JBM » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:22 pm

Well done Bridex. ::g Jerry.

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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by sweepspeed5 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:30 pm

Good post Bridex

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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by Dave8472 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:33 pm

Thanks for the post and write up, I will pin this post as I think it will be well worthy for future reference

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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by spiderwebster » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:48 pm

On U tube there is a video of a battery change out on the wireless unit .

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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by miss a lot » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:19 pm

Here's a thing .has any one ever went to battery world , to see what they say , I know they give a years warranty on all batteries they repair

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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by Bridex » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:43 pm

"What size cells are these? If they are 18650, I would say anything over 3500mAh is likely to be fraudulent, and may well have a rather low capacity. Better to buy known brand cells, from a reputable dealer, than 'claimed 5000mAh' cells from China.(there's some out there claiming 8000 !)
As a guide, Panasonic brand ones are 3400 mAh."


These are the batteries I used:- From Japan
PANASONIC NCR18650B Li-Ion 3400mAh 3.6V LITHIUM Rechargeable BATTERY TAGS x 4

2 pairs in parallel = 3.6v 3400mAh, and connected in series = 7.2v 6800mAh

The original batteries are MINMAX and are manufactured in China.
They are 4 x 3.6v 2200mAh which total 7.2v 4400mah capacity.
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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by Fusion » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:01 pm

OK, you got me confused when you said Replacement Li-ion cells ... were 3.6v 6600mAh x 4, as there are sellers claiming such capacities for a single cell, but it looks like you meant 3400 mAh x 4. You've chosen wisely, the Panasonic ones are regarded as one of the best. I've read elsewhere (a US forum) that the ML original cells were low quality, though there are good brand cells around with 2200 - 2400 mAh specs, usually designed for high discharge currents (like power tools).

I found this interesting 18650 comparison test, online:
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries20 ... %20UK.html
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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by sweepstick47 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:09 pm

An interesting topic with nicely expressed and helpful replies ::g It's what forum members are noted for ::g Thanks to all. Regards ss47
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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by Gary_Graham » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:25 pm

Batteries in series add up the voltage, mAh stays the same as one battery.

Series is positive of one battery connected to negative of another, think of two or more cars parked nose to tail, your positive would come from the front of the lead car and the negative from the back of the rear car.

So 2x 1.5v 2000 mAh = 3v 2000 mAh

Batteries in parallel add up the mAh, voltage stays the same as one battery.

Parallel would be all the cars parked side by side with all the fronts connected together, this is your positive, and all the rears connected which would be the negative.

So 2x 1.5v 2000 mAh = 1.5v 4000 mAh

So 2x in parallel in series with 2x parallel i.e. 4 cells

= 1.5v 4000 mAh + 1.5v 4000 mAh = 3v 4000 mAh.
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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by FUBAR » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:00 pm

Whose a very clever boy then?

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Re: 3030 Battery Pack

Post by Junior » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:12 pm

Cheers for hopefully future reference. Hopefully a long while off. Mind u supp 3 1/2 yr old now

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