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Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by gaz1969 » Mon May 16, 2011 9:50 pm

Just wondered how anyone finds the slow and slow program for the explorer/etrac?

Fancy trying it if it gets me the small deep stuff :)

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Blackadder43 » Mon May 16, 2011 9:54 pm

No doubt its a good program, but you will need volume control on your headphones and i advise taking regular breaks where you take your headphones off....
If you dont and do this for a long period of time you will suffer "Hearing fatigue"
This is where your brain cannot distinguish between the signals, regular short breaks will "reset" your brain to cope with it.....
I think stephenbeetleman is our hearing specialist and he may be able to back this up......
I am terrible for taking breaks and often at the end of the day my concentration listening to the sounds does suffer....
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by stephenbeetleman » Mon May 16, 2011 10:34 pm

Blackadder43 wrote:I think stephenbeetleman is our hearing specialist and he may be able to back this up......
Tis true BA. When we listen to sounds over a prolonged period of time the outer hair cells of the cochlea temporarily lose their ability to make out between sounds that are very close together in frequency. In order to compensate for this to gain that extra clarity we can sometimes reach for the volume control and compensate by turning it up even more. This risks hearing loss and tinnitus so when you feel you need to do this you should instead take a short break. Its a bit like listening to the radio in the car over a long journey, as you travel along you end up increasing the volume as the journey goes on without noticing it . Then you stop the car, go into the house and come out the next morning and say jeeeze! .. that radio is a bit loud! then turn it down again! :)) Overnight your ears have reset again. In metal detecting terms they have become more sensitive again to the gold staters and the deep silver again. B-)

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by mcbain » Mon May 16, 2011 10:43 pm

What was that...what did you say? 8-}
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by stephenbeetleman » Mon May 16, 2011 10:47 pm

mcbain wrote:What was that...what did you say? 8-}
I get that alllllllll the time lol 8-} [:) :))
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Post by mcbain » Mon May 16, 2011 10:52 pm

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Blackadder43 » Tue May 17, 2011 11:41 am

I'm gonna bump this thread as i feel its usefull information for all detectorists.....
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Philthy Phil » Tue May 17, 2011 12:48 pm

My hearing got slightly buggered during my army days, not exactly practical to wear ear defenders in combat.....but thus far I'm not finding too many problems distinguishing tones [:)
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Post by timesearch » Tue May 17, 2011 12:51 pm

Pardon? :) I sort of assume I'm hearing everything, but I know. I have hearing loss is certain frequencies, so I could be missing stuff.

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Philthy Phil » Tue May 17, 2011 12:53 pm

timesearch wrote:Pardon? :) I sort of assume I'm hearing everything, but I know. I have hearing loss is certain frequencies, so I could be missing stuff.
I could always type in CAPITALS..............would that help? 8-}
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Gaz 1266x » Tue May 17, 2011 1:03 pm

I have tinnitus and had it since 88 when i was 18 and its never gone off since.
What caused it was listening to music through the headphones too loud just for a couple of minutes and when i took them off the sound around me was like a weird gurgling noise very hard to describe,anyway after a few seconds it went off and all was ok i thought,then the next morning when i woke up the ringing in the ears came on and has never been off since and over the years it has slightly dampened down abit because your brain trys to mask it but its still there.
I can still hear perfectly well but to describe it,its like a old kettle whats boiling over making the whistling noise but its a lot higher pitch than that but at a lower volume.
So guys and gals be careful because its so so easy to damage them and once you have damaged your ears theres no going back and theres no cure for it.

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Blackadder43 » Tue May 17, 2011 2:00 pm

I think the most important thing i was trying to get across with this thread is not ongoing hearing problems that people are dealing with, but more to do with something called "Hearing Fatigue"
This is something that can affect anyone no matter what condition their hearing is...
Basicaly, and i am one of the worst culprits, it is not taking regular breaks when detecting.

The "slow and low" program the original poster has mentioned can be very very noisy and prolonged exposure to this constant noise will cause hearing fatigue.
Its not dangerous as such, but will cause you to miss potentialy good targets....
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Indy » Tue May 17, 2011 2:16 pm

Thanks to BA and SBM for the advice regards to protecting your hearing. But am I missing something here, I thought 'slow and low' for the E-Trac was keeping the coil near the ground to improve depth, and moving it slowly to compensate for the E-Trac slow recovery time.
Or is there a special Low and Slow Program :-/

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by gaz1969 » Tue May 17, 2011 2:27 pm

Etrac or explorer

Yup thats what the program is for you are correct.

No special one :D

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Indy » Tue May 17, 2011 2:42 pm

Thanks gaz. I find that the E-Trac makes me do alot of digging, and because the headphone cord is not very long I have to take them off when I put E-Trac down to dig, I suppose this gives my ears a rest. I also keep the background threshold down so I can just about hear the background hum. :D

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Blackadder43 » Tue May 17, 2011 3:22 pm

The original slow and low program is basicaly everything wide open, no discrim whatsoever......
All settings on max....
Its hard work, but some swear by it.....
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Indy » Tue May 17, 2011 10:13 pm

I don't like the sound of that BA (no pun intended) no wonder you were concerned about peoples hearing being damaged, with everything maxed up I would expect your head to get blown off if you got a good signal. :D

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Post by stephenbeetleman » Tue May 17, 2011 10:25 pm

I'd imagine by that program, settings maxed would mean everything bar the volume. It wouldn't hurt to still adjust that to personal preference. :)

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Post by jim_mids » Tue May 17, 2011 11:40 pm

Pardon? [:)
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by stephenbeetleman » Wed May 18, 2011 12:21 am

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Blackadder43 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:24 am

Even with the volume turned down, the massive array of noise that would come from such a set up on an iron infested Roman site would definately give you hearing fatigue, at the very least you would have a headache....
Not for the faint hearted....
The ability to distinguish between a signal and a false signal would soon merge and become impossible...

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Dave8472 » Wed May 18, 2011 8:19 am

Not for me, I always run with some iron mask, I couldn't stand all that noise, prepared to miss the odd item as my hearing and sanity is more important :))

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by gaz1969 » Wed May 18, 2011 9:12 am

Think i will try it on my test bed in garden this morning,going detecting at lunch so will give it a test first.
May not be for me either,just wondered how much more you may get using it,but if its annoying then maybe a little discrim will help.

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Tomo » Wed May 18, 2011 10:44 am

the only way hunt now is wide open on the etrac and have done for age's. Its the dog's doodas for picking out small stuff right next to iron. Work's for me and have never looked back :D
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by SilverShark » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:15 am

This is the program I have been using on my explorer II.

Does take a while to get use to, detector almost ended up in farmers pond at one stage but stick with it. Once you pick it up, you won't look back :D
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by johny-blaze » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:42 pm

im a new etrac user so the program is too much for me . i use tony hunts program its a little tamer :)
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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by Craiga » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:28 pm

Has Neil altered his programme then? Last time I talked to him was a few years ago but the slow and low programme was always ran with a smidgen of iron mask......
I use a similar programme with the SE and can't fault it you still hear some iron but a quick glance at the screen sorts that out. I wouldn't dream of using an EXP with no discrim on it.
A big mistake a lot of people make is by having the disc too high if there is any falsing wind it down until you have a steady threshold tone.

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by andyhall74 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:00 pm

whats is the settings for this program fellas ? minelab se ::g

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by jcmaloney » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:59 am

slow_n_lows program for the SE

Not for the faint hearted or the impatient !

Earphones must have volume control for this programme and not Koss.

Volume-max
gain-8
threshold tone-1
variability-10
limits-9
response-smooth
sounds-conduct
Recover-deep on : fast off
iron mask-31 or all metal 32 when in a very productive hotspot.
sensitivity-manual and keep it in 16 till your competent enough to increase it, i use 32 full whack anywhere.

Dig all low tones, medium, and high smooth tones,the highest pitch tone is the sound you get from a 1p or 2p coin 1970-80s,iron is a similar higher pitch shrieky noise, uneven not smooth etc but takes time to get used too so you have to be prepared to get through the learning curve which can take some time to learn.

If you want quiet and not much noise then dont even attempt to use this programme because as you get used to it and up the sense it gets noisy.

Swing slow 4 secs a sweep and 8 secs on hot spots and try keep the coil just scraping the surface,if you ar"nt using at least 2 or 3 coil covers a year then your not low enough.

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Re: Who like's it slow n low ?

Post by leslie(nova scotia) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:08 pm

Puts new meaning me son to..


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