Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

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Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by detectorman5050 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:57 pm

I think that a telescopic carbon fibre shaft would be a nice addition to the Equinox 800. I have managed to find some manufactured by a UK company called Raven. They are 125 quid.

Was curious if anyone has bought one, and their opinion of it? Personally, I would want one for the summer, so I can put the Equinox in a backpack, and go out on my bike.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Hairyhands » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 am

Crawford's do a beauty at 89 pounds. Have a look. It's really lovely I'm going to get one as the cam lock is great feature and the one on my explorer lasted 10 years and was still going

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Badger1935 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:55 am

I don't think that any of the available carbon fibre poles telescope enough to fit in a backpack.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Hairyhands » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:03 am

Sorry. No that's one wouldn't fit that I suggested

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by chrisbham » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:12 pm

Not carbon fibre but there is a universal telescopic shaft by MarsMD which is good. It's like a heavy-duty Deus shaft and collapses quite small.

Just got one myself, check my latest post on my account. ::g

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by fred » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:33 pm

Posted in error (see below). :D
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Hairyhands » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:40 pm

fred wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:33 pm
There was a traction engine called a Genie. Haven't yet found much detail on it but at least that would explain how it came to be in a field. ::g
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by fred » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:43 pm

Hairyhands wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:40 pm
fred wrote:
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There was a traction engine called a Genie. Haven't yet found much detail on it but at least that would explain how it came to be in a field. ::g
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by detectorman5050 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:35 pm

Badger1935 wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:55 am
I don't think that any of the available carbon fibre poles telescope enough to fit in a backpack.
I use a sack type bag with draw cords on it. I'd imagine you could telescope the detector down, and carry it on your back, even though some of the detector is still protruding from the top of the bag?
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Badger1935 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:40 pm

Just out of curiosity I have measured mine and fully collapsed it is 1 meter long and its the shortest top pole available.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by principia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:22 pm

Maybee possible to use the universal carbon shaft from Golden mask for the equinox?
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Easylife » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:06 pm

Does anyone know what the standard Equinox shaft weighs? x;
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by equinox » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:30 pm

Hairyhands wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 am
Crawford's do a beauty at 89 pounds. Have a look. It's really lovely I'm going to get one as the cam lock is great feature and the one on my explorer lasted 10 years and was still going
i have the crawford carbon shaft on my 800 comes in same weight as the standard shaft no slop now,i recon we should all get a credit from minelab for making such a poor shaft.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Hairyhands » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:04 am

I agree I'd have paid 950 for it with a carbon shaft. Most would I think

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by tommyb » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:16 pm

I have the raven telescopic shaft. with coil flat on ground 1m long. with coil folded up 114cm long.
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Runnerflash » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:09 pm

Their are many sellers of carbon fibre tubing online in the UK that would be suitable for the Equinox, (or indeed for most detectors) the two isssues you face to enable a satisfactory manufacture is as follows -
Firstly, Obtaining the correct camlock to fix the lower coil shaft to the carbon fibre tube, these are relatively hard to source.
Secondly accurately drilling the fixing holes in the tubing for the display and the arm rest, difficult but not impossible, A word of caution, glass fibres and the dust are extremely damaging to your health

As a photographer an elegant solution would be to adapt a monopod, this would then be truly telescopic and has the advantage of having ready made twist locks.
The cursory investigation of the monopods I have though shows an incompatibility between the monopods internal diameter to lock onto the coil shaft and the outside diameter to fix the display and arm rest.

I am now on a mission to try and come up with something so if successful will post the progress.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by detectorman5050 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:15 pm

tommyb wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:16 pm
I have the raven telescopic shaft. with coil flat on ground 1m long. with coil folded up 114cm long.
pic of nox and bag i had made for it.rsz_img_20190111_145633457.jpg
And how do you find the telescopic shaft overall?
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by tommyb » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:08 pm

detectorman5050 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:15 pm
tommyb wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:16 pm
I have the raven telescopic shaft. with coil flat on ground 1m long. with coil folded up 114cm long.
pic of nox and bag i had made for it.rsz_img_20190111_145633457.jpg
And how do you find the telescopic shaft overall?
Had it about 5 months had to re-glue the coil fitting as it came loose. but its been great and does the job find. very easy to adjust and no pins to worry about.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Runnerflash » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:42 pm

After much research I was unable to source a monopod that offered the correct external tubing diameter to fit the control display and the arm support.
The current Equinox has a 22mm diameter external tube and an internal diameter of 20mm to slide over the coil shaft, so giving us 1mm tube thickness.
The nearest I could get to was a 5 section monopod of external diameters of 26, 23, 20, 17 and 14mm, even if we could discard the top section and the two bottom sections we only end up with two tubes with a combined length of 500mm(we need 1000mm).
I will continue my quest as it would be a good project to complete.
In the mean time I have purchased a shaft lock for £16, a top tube cover insert for £1.20 and a 1000mm length of Matt carbon fibre tubing (the glossy finish was a bit loud!) for £21.50. For £38.70 I will have a very rigid structure, I do have to drill all of the mounting holes for the control display and the arm support but at least I can say it’s all my own work.
Will post an image when it is all completed

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Runnerflash » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:01 pm

I have just completed the carbon fibre shaft for my Equinox 600.

The setup is very light, rigid, easy to adjust the length, no wiggle in the shaft and looks very smart.
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Easylife » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:33 am

principia wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:22 pm
Maybee possible to use the universal carbon shaft from Golden mask for the equinox?
I guess that is likely the most compact by using 3 joints. Well spotted. ::g
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Digiffys » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:14 pm

Got my new carbon shaft yesterday from a well known dealership. As thought it looks amazing but while doing a few practice sweeps in the living room the coil fell off! :D :D :D Just the look I was after :D ::g Anyway scraped away the glue and keyed up/scratched the inner wall of the carbon bottom stem and reglued back,hopefully that will sort it. I called the dealership today and gave them the heads
up on what I found and happened. Glad it happened in the living room and not on site =)) think I better
take the original.one just in case my coil falls of again! :))
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by detectorman5050 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:34 pm

Digiffys wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:14 pm
Got my new carbon shaft yesterday from a well known dealership. As thought it looks amazing but while doing a few practice sweeps in the living room the coil fell off! :D :D :D Just the look I was after :D ::g Anyway scraped away the glue and keyed up/scratched the inner wall of the carbon bottom stem and reglued back,hopefully that will sort it. I called the dealership today and gave them the heads
up on what I found and happened. Glad it happened in the living room and not on site =)) think I better
take the original.one just in case my coil falls of again! :))
Is this the telescopic carbon shaft I referred to in my original post? I still want to buy one!
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Easylife » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:21 am

So there's no weight saving and it's more about looks? :-/
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Digiffys » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:25 am

detectorman5050 wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:34 pm
Digiffys wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:14 pm
Got my new carbon shaft yesterday from a well known dealership. As thought it looks amazing but while doing a few practice sweeps in the living room the coil fell off! :D :D :D Just the look I was after :D ::g Anyway scraped away the glue and keyed up/scratched the inner wall of the carbon bottom stem and reglued back,hopefully that will sort it. I called the dealership today and gave them the heads
up on what I found and happened. Glad it happened in the living room and not on site =)) think I better
take the original.one just in case my coil falls of again! :))
Is this the telescopic carbon shaft I referred to in my original post? I still want to buy one!
No it's a Crawford's one. Apart from the stated issue its a decent bit of kit and cheaper than the Raven which I haven't actually felt or held etc so cannot say if the price difference is justified ::g
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Digiffys » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:29 am

Easylife wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:21 am
So there's no weight saving and it's more about looks? :-/
Hi mate,not sure if this was in response to my post but anyway. For me there's minimal weight difference if any and was more about the cam locks really,oh and a bit of detector bling of course ::g
Ps just wanted to add as said before this was purchased before using my new machine and I didn't find any issues whatsoever with the standard shaft,no tightening or wobbles etc and could of held of buying it a carbon one all together ::g
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Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Runnerflash » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:26 pm

Following on from the manufacture of a carbon fibre shaft to replace the plastic one supplied with the Equinox 600 I did a lot more research and design to produce a telescopic version based on a monopod.
I purchased a carbon fibre monopod produced by a company called KOOD that had 4 sections with external dimensions of, 28mm, 25mm, 22mm and 19mm. The 22mm dimension was important as this is the external diameter of the supplied plastic supplied shaft but more importantly it has an internal diameter of 20mm that will slide over the lower shaft of the Equinox coil.
The 19mm section was discarded and the plan was to slide the 22mm monopod section onto the Equinox coil shaft but unfortunately there are internal raised guides within it that prevent it.
This 22mm monopod section was also discarded and a 500mm length of carbon fibre tubing obtained and cut down into a 400mm piece and a 100mm piece, the longer piece would slide within the 25mm section of the monopod.
The difficult issue was how to come up with a way of mounting the control unit (that normally fits to a 22mm tube) onto the 28mm upper section of the monopod.
The solution was to use Aluminium Motorcycle Riser adapters (these enable bigger diameter handlebars to fit onto standard smaller Motorcycle tubing).
Two of these were mounted back to back, one Riser was clamped onto the 28mm monopod section and the other Riser was clamped onto the 100mm piece of 22mm carbon fibre carbon fibre tubing using two spilt collars that come with the Riser.
The Equinox control unit was then secured onto the 100mm piece of carbon fibre tubing. This method has the advantaged of retaining the sealing integrity of the control unit that also houses the Lithium battery.
I produced a set of arm rests from black guttering supports modified to have a shape similar to the original ones and mounted these side by side using a third Riser that fitted to the top 28mm monopod section.
So now I have the options, firstly the standard plastic tub that comes with the Equinox 600, secondly the elegant looking replacement carbon fibre shaft or thirdly this monopod version that easily fits into a backpack.

The images below show more of how it has been constructed

Image 1 shows the completed project
Image 2 shows the clamp that is fitted to the 22mm section and secures to the Equinox coil shaft
Image 3 shows how the controller mates to the 100mm length of carbon fibre tubing
Image 4 shows the arm rest is mounted to the Motorcycle Riser
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by fred » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:47 pm

Wow, that is a beast! :D
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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Badger1935 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:50 pm

Hi. Runnerflash.I congratulate you on your enginuity and engineering with your telescopic conversion,but surely a massive overkill just to make it telescopic.

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Re: Telescopic Carbon Fibre Shaft for Equinox

Post by Runnerflash » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:05 pm

It was a feasibility study, I have proved that I could design and manufacture it for minimal outlay, all the items were readily available online or in store and I enjoyed the engineering challenge.

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