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Post by fred » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:02 pm

The detecting was a tad slow today so I took the opportunity to have a play with some of the settings on the Nox. I concentrated on the noise issue that seem to plague some people. For a relatively simple machine there seems to be a lot of possibile permutations for the settings. but by the time that I had finished I'd managed to get the Nox absolutely stable, I was finding targets that had previously been missed by the Nox and other detectors and was pinpointing targets as small as single lead shotgun pellet while digging virtually no iron. Please feel free to argue disagree or make suggestions because that is how we are going to learn the Nox together. ::g

If your machine seems to be set up OK but is still noisy there are four likely causes: sensitivity too high, lots of iron signals, incorrect ground balance or the wrong swing speed.

Sensitivity should be set as high as you can get away with, 21 seems about the highest that I can manage at the moment. Turning it down a click or two doesn’t seem to affect the detecting but it does quieten the machine down a little.

The Nox manual advises that ground balancing is not necessary and you should just leave it set on 0. My own experience suggests differently. Obviously in some situation 0 might be a perfectly good setting but I always ground balance to be on the safe side.

The ground balance, the presence of small iron signals and swing speed can all be tested together. Firstly swing the detector with the Tone 1 volume set at 3 over a small piece of ground from which any obvious nonferrous and large iron targets have been removed . You may well hear low and high tones. Adjust your swing speed until the sounds are at their minimum and remember the speed, you can adjust it later but this is likely to be more or less your optimum swing speed and it should be fairly slow.

Next lower the Tone 1 volume to 0 and swing again at the remembered speed. The iron tones will have been quietened to almost nothing but if you are still getting more than the occasional squawk or chirp then you probably need to ground balance.

The Nox can be ground balanced manually, automatically or you can use ground balance tracking. I have used all three and prefer the automatic option although manual seems to get to about the same place but with a bit more effort. Even tracking seems ok but it takes processor power that I’d rather direct elsewhere.

Once you have finished this sequence you can either detect with Tone 1 volume on 0 or 1. In the former you won’t hear iron but might miss very small positive signals near iron. I also found that in it I could reduce the Recovery Speed to 2, which probably meant a tad more depth, and still have a sharp signal. With Tone 1 volume on 1 you will just hear iron, which might be annoying if there is a lot of it and the Recovery Speed can’t really be reduced below 3 without causing the target to widen and the target sound to fluctuate a bit. It is very stable though.

PS You don't need to do this every time as most of the settings are saved when you turn off. Just turn on, noise control, ground balance and off you go. :D


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Post by Sweep 88 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:44 pm

Thanks fred , I will try this . Good advise as usual. ::g
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Post by sweepstick47 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:50 pm

Hi Fred ::g , As you may know, I'm not a Nox user but I do like to keep abreast of new user/operator information 'just in case' :D Your various findings on the subject is always of interest. - Thanks ::g Regards ss47
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Post by SuperRed » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:22 pm

Many thanks Fred. You've put in a heck of a lot of work again and it is appreciated ::g
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Post by skythepig » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:28 pm

Thanks Fred that's a lot of info to take in but it's all good knowledge to know when using the Nox 800.
Thanks again for sharing
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Post by Ladybird66 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:57 pm

Thanks for a bit more insight re the NOX Fred.

I did get out yesterday and today felt a little deflated by the result. Great weather, great scenery, 3 fields to choose from and guess what ? I chose the one with all the iron. But not a total waste because it tested my settings and the up-date.
I’m pleased to report, I knew there was loads of iron because using All Metal, I could hear the threshold blanking. The only time I actually had a Tone was when I switched all metal off. That was also a good result. Changing T1 to -2 took the tones closer to the target number for iron, just what I wanted. I think they were quieter as well.

I was amazed at not finding anything domestic, not even a button. Maybe they used string :-O
Only 3 false signals. 2 X 14 both plough shears, 1 X 16 pointy thing, probably off a Harrow.

At last, just before I got back to farmhouse, a good signal, 23, a chunk of lead. Ah well you can’t win em all !

p.s. forgot to mention, it does pick up coke on number 1 :-O
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Post by Swany » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:22 pm

Nice info there Fred, thanks for posting, going to print and take it with me the next time I Nox ::g

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Post by fred » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:35 am

Ladybird66 wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:57 pm
Thanks for a bit more insight re the NOX Fred.

P.s. forgot to mention, it does pick up coke on number 1 :-O
Funnily enough I had a slow day yesterday too and also tested coke. I posted my results in the discussion that was going on. Basically I agree with number 1 but only in some modes. ::g

"Coke does give a signal on the Nox but only in Park 2 and Field 2, which explains why I'd never picked any up. The Target ID number for both of these is 1 but, using 50 tones, Park 1 gave a relatively high tone and Field 2 a lower tone. :D"

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Post by Ladybird66 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:46 am

Ah, that might explain things Fred. I have set up in Field 2 whereas I was using Field 1.
I hadn’t picked up coke before, even though I knew it was there. All my other fields on that farm have Maize so it’s been a while since getting into them.

Now the big question you can answer for me is, If I change back to using Field 1 will I have to re-enter my preferred settings again ?

(Being lazy here, I know it tells you in the bible)

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Post by fred » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Ladybird66 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:46 am
Ah, that might explain things Fred. I have set up in Field 2 whereas I was using Field 1.
I hadn’t picked up coke before, even though I knew it was there. All my other fields on that farm have Maize so it’s been a while since getting into them.

Now the big question you can answer for me is, If I change back to using Field 1 will I have to re-enter my preferred settings again ?

(Being lazy here, I know it tells you in the bible)
All metal and noise control should always be done every time you turn on and it's a good idea to ground balance anyway. That doesn't actually leave much and most settings change universally so they will already be the same in Field 2, Anything that isn't univesal will need to be reset.

Personally I'd do a factory reset of Field 1 and start again anyway. If nothing else it will help you familiarise yourself with the settings so that reinstalling your preferences does't fill you with dread! :D
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Post by Fat Cog » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:33 pm

Great advice!

I've been using my 800 for about 6 months now & am really pleased with the machine.

Regarding ground balance, I've noticed that if I use the tracking mode my performance & finds drop off markedly (being honest, I've no idea why), I have far better results on auto.

As for sensitivity, I'm usually on 20 or lower...anything above 20 hinders the peace & quite I love about detecting!!!

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Post by K Bannaghan » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:32 pm

I am using gold 2 on fields. and find it suits me and seems to give more depth are there any disadvantages with this setting

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Post by fred » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:11 pm

K Bannaghan wrote:
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I am using gold 2 on fields. and find it suits me and seems to give more depth are there any disadvantages with this setting
Other than the constant noise driving you mad you mean? :D The gold setting is designed to be super sensitive on tiny low conductors like small flakes of gold. If it works for you then go for it and do let us know how you get on. ::g

So far I've accidentally managed to use Beach Mode 1 on land and Field Mode 1 on the beach and they both worked fine, although in both cases I could tell that something wasn't quite right. rl;

PS In my limited experience with it the Gold mode seems to upset any other detector within 30 feet or so.
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Post by Fell Wanderer » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:03 pm

Regarding excessive falsing with the Equinox 800. I always do a noise cancel, auto ground balance and sensitivity set to the recommended 20 for beginners. I was still getting a lot of falsing whether I was using the machine on a fast or slow swing speed or a high or low recovery speed. I then turned the sensitivity down to 18 and most of the falsing stopped. I had been using the machine for a couple of days and was beginning to think I had made the wrong decision buying it. I've had the Equinox 800 for a week now, been out every day, still learning new things and totally love it now, I wasn't too sure in the beginning though. This is one sensitive machine and even though I dont usually go over a sensitivity of 20 I am finding more because I'm not wasting time chasing false signals which was happening a lot in the beginning. I'm still finding small bits of metal my pinpointer has trouble locating. I'm understanding more what this detector is telling me via the screen/audio and digging less ferrous objects and junk because of it. What I find puzzling is why does Minelab recommend a setting of 0 for most detecting conditions when everytime I do a auto ground balance its never at 0, always higher or lower?. I still think doing regular ground balancing is worth it especially when you enter a new field or when falsing is suspected. Also turn off your mobile phone or put into airplane mode, it cuts out a lot of chirping noises this detector sometimes makes.
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Post by fred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:38 pm

Fell Wanderer wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:03 pm
Regarding excessive falsing with the Equinox 800. I always do a noise cancel, auto ground balance and sensitivity set to the recommended 20 for beginners. I was still getting a lot of falsing whether I was using the machine on a fast or slow swing speed or a high or low recovery speed. I then turned the sensitivity down to 18 and most of the falsing stopped. I had been using the machine for a couple of days and was beginning to think I had made the wrong decision buying it. I've had the Equinox 800 for a week now, been out every day, still learning new things and totally love it now, I wasn't too sure in the beginning though. This is one sensitive machine and even though I dont usually go over a sensitivity of 20 I am finding more because I'm not wasting time chasing false signals which was happening a lot in the beginning. I'm still finding small bits of metal my pinpointer has trouble locating. I'm understanding more what this detector is telling me via the screen/audio and digging less ferrous objects and junk because of it. What I find puzzling is why does Minelab recommend a setting of 0 for most detecting conditions when everytime I do a auto ground balance its never at 0, always higher or lower?. I still think doing regular ground balancing is worth it especially when you enter a new field or when falsing is suspected. Also turn off your mobile phone or put into airplane mode, it cuts out a lot of chirping noises this detector sometimes makes.
There are a few other mysteries with the reccomended Minelab settings, like Iron Bias being set at 0 in Field 1. It's been mentioned before but they probably arose because the settings were mainly developed for markets other than the UK. ::g
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