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ID Challenge No.14 (4-5 to 8-5-19)

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:28 pm
by thefiggis
What ho,

Not been out for some weeks now and thrashing Jenkins no longer works as it should to relieve the frustration (mine, not his) ;;z So I got the coins out to relive past glories and came across this little fellah I've somehow forgotten to ID. Well, I find so many of them, dontcher know ;)

As you can see, there's a fair amount of wear to part of the coin and as some of the legend isn't clear I've put the faded obverse legend in the spoiler below for those who might like it:
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The reverse legend is similarly affected but there should be enough remaining to nail the mint.

The name of the monarch is pretty straightforward and I really wouldn't be giving anything away by saying it out loud here but, in the spirit of the thing, I won't. Getting the right monarch and the class depends on examining detail and there's a decent site which helps in what to look for in another spoiler below, if you need it:
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Closes for entry sometime after 5.00pm on Wednesday 8 May.

ID Challenge Archive

Have fun amd enjoy your research. I know these cois can be tricky (well, I find them tricky) but all practice helps.

Pip pip ::g

ID Challenge Answer from Allectus -

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:34 pm
by Allectus
Edward I, class 4c Canterbury penny.

ID Challenge Answer from Stillburning -

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:51 pm
by Stillburning
Edward I, Canterbury Mint, 10ab4

ID Challenge Answer from Buriedbytime&dust -

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:14 pm
by Buriedbytime&dust
Edward I Canterbury penny.

As for the class, I'll have a stab at 3g.

ID Challenge Answer from shaggybfc -

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:28 pm
by shaggybfc
Edward 1st, maybe Spink S1394.... then I'm out...

ID Challenge Answer from haveyoufound1yet -

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 9:00 pm
by haveyoufound1yet
Edward 1st Canterbury mint class 4c for me.(nick in the band of the crown between left Fleur & left hand ornament is the dominant feature to the ID)

ID Challenge Answer from Saki -

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 11:28 am
by Saki
Edward 1st 3c-3d Cross Potent penny

ID Challenge Answer from Easylife -

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 12:58 pm
by Easylife
I'd guess Eddy I class 10 Canterbury, but some bits don't quite seem to fit.

Re: ID Challenge No.14 (4-5 to 8-5-19)

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 5:11 pm
by thefiggis
Thanks to all who had a go - these Edwards are always tricky and any delight in finding them is soon replaced with dread at the thought of days going through the ID process before giving up and submitting them here, like I usually do :))

I did manage to ID this one all by my very own self, and for anyone interested, this is how I fumbled my way round the web site above to get the ID.

Legend on obverse is EDWR (which should be read EDW R), so King's abbreviated name is

EDW
(Therefore can only be from classes 1-9)

Mint is Canterbury
(Which excludes class 1, so we're left with classes 2-9)

The crown is a very important defining detail but one I'm a total duffer at. They all look the same to me at the best of times so I'll skip over this for now.

Lettering
An unbarred A rules out classes 2 & 3, leaving us with classes 4-9

The N really helps out because it's "normal" (single bar sloping top left to bottom right). So this rules out the double-barred N of classes 6-8 and the unbarred N of classes 8 & 9

Which leaves us with classes 4 & 5

The "S" is non-composite (in one piece) which fits both classes

Contractive marks
Obverse legend is EDW R ANGL DNS HYB and there's large comma as a contractive mark between the "L" and "D", which again fits both classes. Blarst.

Other marks
Of the examples given, the only one which helps with this coin is the cross potent (12 o'clock on the obverse). Both classes again.

So the only thing to do now is trawl through the descriptions of classes 4 & 5.

Class 5s appear to have a central pellet on the breast which we don't have, so at last we have a difference between them and class 4.

Of all the detail given for class 4 coins, one stands out in nailing the type - a tiny nick in the head band (as mentioned by haveyoufound1yet) between the left-hand fleur and ornament. Here it is:
nick.png
So it's class 4c ::g

Probably got this ID more by luck than judgement but one day I'll get there, and hopefully this challenge has been of value.

Thanks again,all.

Re: ID Challenge No.14 (4-5 to 8-5-19)

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:55 pm
by Buriedbytime&dust
I see I've retained my 100% record in these ID challenges and got the class wrong yet again. D'oh! :-L

Thanks for the challenge anyway. I'll do my best to wreck my perfect record next time! ::g

Re: ID Challenge No.14 (4-5 to 8-5-19)

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 9:11 pm
by thefiggis
These coins are a swine, ain't they, buriedbytime&dust? The tiniest of details make all the difference and it's only a matter of time, patience and practice before we know what to look for.

Right now I'm looking for gin but blowed if I can lay hands on any.

Jen-kiiiiins!!!