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ID Challenge No.21 16-19 Feb 2020

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:00 am
by thefiggis
What ho,

Having spent ages sorting this sorry little chap out here, it might round things off nicely if we could ID it.

It's cracked but in otherwise decent physical condition (bit like Her Ladyship, really) and all the legend is there. For those new to reading coin legend, just bear in mind that letters can be ligated (joined together) so what might appear to be missing is in fact there. It's just a matter of getting your eye in (again, much like Her Ladyship when she's tired of wearing the patch).

Closes for entry some time after 5.00pm on Tuesday 19th.



Have as many goes as you like and ID it as far as you want to, from monarch only to monarch, moneyer, mint & class or any point in between.

Best of luck and pip pip ::g


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ID Challenge Answer from thefiggis -

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:00 am
by thefiggis
I'm going for Henry III class 5g, moneyer Ion of Bury St Edmunds

ID Challenge Answer from Allectus -

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:13 am
by Allectus
Henry III 5g long-cross penny, moneyer Ion - Bury St Edmunds.

ID Challenge Answer from Mike Banks -

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:58 am
by Metalmickey2359
Henry 111 Phase 3 penny. Class 5c.

ID Challenge Answer from Sunray -

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:35 am
by Sunray
Silver Penny of Edward I [Long Cross Coinage in the name of Henry III], Class VII
Mint Bury St. Edmunds
Moneyer IOH ONS EIN TED

ID Challenge Answer from shaggybfc -

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:55 pm
by shaggybfc
I’d have a go at Henry III. Spink 1368. I’m probably miles away though.

ID Challenge Answer from Buriedbytime&dust -

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:27 pm
by Buriedbytime&dust
If I'm right, I would've absolutely loved to have found that coin!

It's a Henry III voided long cross. That's the easy bit sorted!

Now to the tricky bit. I think it's a coin minted in my local town of Bury St Edmunds, by moneyer Ion, and I'm going to have a stab at class 5b.

ID Challenge Answer from Junior -

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:38 pm
by Junior
Just looking at .... no books or help off mum .. hen 3rd penny ..... cheers and thanks

ID Challenge Answer from Wuntbedruv -

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:53 am
by Wuntbedruv
Henry III, class V, moneyer ION at Bury St Edmunds (ION ON S'EINTEDI)

ID Challenge Answer from Stillburning -

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:15 pm
by Stillburning
Penny Henry III Ion Bury St Edmunds 5g

Re: ID Challenge No.21 16-19 Feb 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:28 pm
by thefiggis
Thanks to everyone who had a tilt at this one ::g

For those interested, here's how I arrived at my ID using henry3.com:

Under the "ID" header the choice is between a coin with "sceptre" or "no sceptre"
Ours has a sceptre, so click on that and we find it falls within classes 4-7.

Class 4 has REX to the left of the sceptre and III to the right, classes 5-7 have III to the left of the sceptre and hENRICVS to the right.
So ours falls into classes 5-7. Click on that.

Now the classes are defined by the hair and bust style, with class 5 being "non realistic", class 6 "more realistic with a crude bust" and class 7 "realistic with finer bust"
pelleted curls.jpg
The bust and hair of Class 5 most resembles our coin, particularly the hair style, so click on that.

Here the crown style comes into play. Ours is neither jewelled (5a4 and 5e) nor double-banded (5f)so falls into "all others". Click on that.
crown.jpg
Staying on the crown style, the choice is "half-fleur" or "pellet" end ornaments
Ours has pellets so click on that.

Now the style of lettering matters, particularly the "R".
R.jpg
That which best resembles ours is R3, classes 5g, 5h &5i, so click on that.

The crown details don't match 5h or 5i and the style of the "X" helps confirm it as...
x.jpg

... a class 5g.

Hope this has been of some use in trying to unravel at least some of the intricacies of identifying one of the more common monarchs that turn up

::g

Re: ID Challenge No.21 16-19 Feb 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:13 pm
by Wardie94
I’ll agree with what ever allectus says 😂