Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

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Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:03 am

Hi,anyone in the forum using the new gm ONE. Either the 15 or 24. I’ve been impressed with golden mask detectors in the past. I imagine the 15khz will be as good as the uk1+ but with the great digital graph. But more interested in the 24khz and how it compares, and if any good. Any thoughts welcome.



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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:10 am

hello, i would go with the 15 Khz model

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am

I don't have any experience with the 24 kHz


but I have detectors from 3-17 kHz. Makes no difference more of a marketing tool.


All pick up very small targets such as .22 shell cases and air rifle pellets.


coil size has more to do with target size than frequency "unless" you are searching for sub gram gold nuggets

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:21 am

garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:10 am
hello, i would go with the 15 Khz model
what coil does it come with,

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:23 am

Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am
I don't have any experience with the 24 kHz


but I have detectors from 3-17 kHz. Makes no difference more of a marketing tool.


All pick up very small targets such as .22 shell cases and air rifle pellets.


coil size has more to do with target size than frequency "unless" you are searching for sub gram gold nuggets
hello, are you saying different Khz has no bearing on detecting ?

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:39 am

Hi garretoldboy. Yeah my experience with golden mask has been very good. And I did like the 5+ and it’s digital graph read out. Only problem with the 5+ it was a little unstable at times. But I never got rid of the uk1+ at 15khz. From my experience I found the 9 inch coil the best. But would probs my look at the 10.5. Again just for some variety don’t see the point in having 2 of the same.

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:48 am

garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:23 am
Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am
I don't have any experience with the 24 kHz


but I have detectors from 3-17 kHz. Makes no difference more of a marketing tool.


All pick up very small targets such as .22 shell cases and air rifle pellets.


coil size has more to do with target size than frequency "unless" you are searching for sub gram gold nuggets
hello, are you saying different Khz has no bearing on detecting ?
not exactly

depends on target size.

if you are looking for sub gram targets then 40 kHz will walk all over a 10 kHz machine

for a cut half penny, Roman minim and other target I am interested. I see no real word difference between 3-17 kHz which are the detectors I own.

don't take my word for it. There a article written by David Johnson (designer of the T2) on the Fisher Labs website. Unfortunately I can't link to it at the moment as the site is playing up


I do see a difference if I use a 5.5" coil.

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:10 am

Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:48 am
garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:23 am
Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am
I don't have any experience with the 24 kHz


but I have detectors from 3-17 kHz. Makes no difference more of a marketing tool.


All pick up very small targets such as .22 shell cases and air rifle pellets.


coil size has more to do with target size than frequency "unless" you are searching for sub gram gold nuggets
hello, are you saying different Khz has no bearing on detecting ?
not exactly

depends on target size.

if you are looking for sub gram targets then 40 kHz will walk all over a 10 kHz machine

for a cut half penny, Roman minim and other target I am interested. I see no real word difference between 3-17 kHz which are the detectors I own.

don't take my word for it. There a article written by David Johnson (designer of the T2) on the Fisher Labs website. Unfortunately I can't link to it at the moment as the site is playing up


I do see a difference if I use a 5.5" coil.
hello, sorry i was thinking more on Depth than anything else, the T2 runs at 13 Khz i agree below 8 kHZ and above 24 Khz there is not much difference in detecting

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by looksold » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:50 am

Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am
I don't have any experience with the 24 kHz


but I have detectors from 3-17 kHz. Makes no difference more of a marketing tool.


All pick up very small targets such as .22 shell cases and air rifle pellets.


coil size has more to do with target size than frequency "unless" you are searching for sub gram gold nuggets
Interesting post and i think i may agree with you. i started with a fisher 1235x which is 5.7 khz and found loads of stuff all sizes and metals and absolutely loved the machine it felt like part of me and wish i had not sold it. Owned several machines since and currently have three one 18khz one 14khz and one i can set to 71 different frequencies. in my eyes they are all good and find items for me.

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pm

garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:10 am
Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:48 am
garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:23 am


hello, are you saying different Khz has no bearing on detecting ?
not exactly

depends on target size.

if you are looking for sub gram targets then 40 kHz will walk all over a 10 kHz machine

for a cut half penny, Roman minim and other target I am interested. I see no real word difference between 3-17 kHz which are the detectors I own.

don't take my word for it. There a article written by David Johnson (designer of the T2) on the Fisher Labs website. Unfortunately I can't link to it at the moment as the site is playing up


I do see a difference if I use a 5.5" coil.
hello, sorry i was thinking more on Depth than anything else, the T2 runs at 13 Khz i agree below 8 kHZ and above 24 Khz there is not much difference in detecting
never really look at depth. Most of what I like to find you will not get much below 8" anyhow regardless of machine or coil.


Rallies use to be a good test. You use to see loads of different machines running different frequencies coil size. One rally on person would do well, another someone else and so on. Just depends who walks the correct path.

Not so easy to see nowadays as most have the Deus or NOX law of averages dictate most of the time it will be someone owning one of these that will have the better day.


The "nut" driving the detector has more to do with the finds rate than the detector. Walking the correct path, setting the machine correctly, sweeping correctly and so on.


or put it another way. I detected my garden carefully with an old 1980 machine with a 8" and 10" coil. I have since scanned with more modern machines with zero extra finds.

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:50 pm

just had a re think on this


normally detectors go from around 5-20 kHz then gold prospecting 40 kHz upwards


I don't remember another around 20-30 kHz mark. I assume there's a reason why manufactures normally don't use this bandwidth. Interference ? maybe

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:54 pm

https://www.tekneticsdirect.com/the-tek ... n-gardiner


towards the middle/bottom of the article

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 pm

Interesting points. I do remember the detech Eds reacher was a 28 kHz machine. Maybe someone has a thought on that but to save getting off topic. The ONE 15 and ONE 24 are exactly the same in every aspect but frequencies. I do agree that luck plays a part and technic also play a part. I see all to often a deus being swung a foot of the ground on digs and rallies. Real world testing is needed to come to any conclusions, so anyone that’s used one in anger please your thoughts. I would of thought somebody in the r and d department had a good reason to release the two versions otherwise why bother if no difference. I would assume it’s to do with gold prospecting. As we know a lot of gold prospecting machines turned out to be damn good all rounders. Example the Lobo. Gold bug. 👍

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:27 pm

hello, another reason i like the GM detectors having used many over the years i find less old/ rusty iron items apart from the usual plough shears/ horse shoes, also very good at nulling out a rusty nail near say a silver coin, i would presume a better machine in an iron infested field,

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:09 pm

Got a one 24khz. Will try it out over the next few weeks and see what’s what. Look forward to reporting back here.😄👍

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Easylife » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:06 am

Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:48 am
garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:23 am
Koala wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am
I don't have any experience with the 24 kHz


but I have detectors from 3-17 kHz. Makes no difference more of a marketing tool.


All pick up very small targets such as .22 shell cases and air rifle pellets.


coil size has more to do with target size than frequency "unless" you are searching for sub gram gold nuggets
hello, are you saying different Khz has no bearing on detecting ?
not exactly

depends on target size.

if you are looking for sub gram targets then 40 kHz will walk all over a 10 kHz machine

for a cut half penny, Roman minim and other target I am interested. I see no real world difference between 3-17 kHz which are the detectors I own.

Don't take my word for it. There a article written by David Johnson (designer of the T2) on the Fisher Labs website.
Q20 of that article just says that frequency is not critical whether searching in 7 or 13 khz generally. But higher and lower frequencies will have a more noticeable advantage on certain targets. ::g
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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by metalmania » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:08 am

Well if it helps with this conversation on khz quoted from the interview

" Question 20:

DS: Seems specialized detectorists feel frequency/khz is so important now, claiming a 7khz Coin$trike for example is for coins not relics. Is 13khz great for all-around hunting, & why don’t we see say 25khz units for relic hunters?

"In general, higher frequencies are better for smaller and lower conductivity stuff, and lower frequencies are better for larger and higher conductivity stuff. Relic hunters are generally looking for stuff that is smaller or lower conductivity than US clad, copper, and silver coinage. However, frequency is not critical, and a 7 kHz machine can be good on relics and a 13 kHz machine can be good on coins.

Metal detector manufacturers generally avoid the 20-30kHz range because of electrical interference from military communications."

you can find the full article here
https://www.tekneticsdirect.com/the-tek ... n-gardiner

Hope this helps
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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:33 am

one thing I found when detecting near a pylon was

6.59 kHz was unusable and 8.2 kHz was fine

25 kHz is half of our mains frequency. Will there be a difference when detecting near pylons ?

both are useless near electric fences. Still pick them up a good 25-50 yards away

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Easylife » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:24 pm

Koala wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:33 am
one thing I found when detecting near a pylon was

6.59 kHz was unusable and 8.2 kHz was fine

25 kHz is half of our mains frequency. Will there be a difference when detecting near pylons ?

both are useless near electric fences. Still pick them up a good 25-50 yards away
It seems to be more detector dependant. ::g
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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:46 pm

I think you may be right. I had a gm4wd and suffered a lot from emi and you would pick up electric fences over 50 yards away. Slightly better in 8khz than 18khz. It was also not a good detector for club digs and rallies as interference from other detectors was sometimes unbearable. Saying that I never had a problem with the uk1+ at 15 kHz. On club digs and rally’s. Although electric fences was still a problem. Used to get a good signal pulse every 3 seconds. Both great detectors if out on your own and away from electric fences. I don’t think I have had a detector that didn’t kick off abit near electric fences. I will put the ONE 24 in all these demerits and see what occurs. Makes me wonder if it’s not only a kHz issue or a shielding issue ,Or both,🤔

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:50 pm

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Dave Lowe » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:05 pm

Whats the best coil to get with a Golden Mask one ?

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Koala » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:34 pm

Dave Lowe wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:05 pm
Whats the best coil to get with a Golden Mask one ?

no such thing.



the more junky the site the small coil will do better

more mineralized the site a DD will be better

more iron then a concentric will do better

smaller the coil better it is on small target

bigger coil more coverage and deeper on large targets

Around 10" seems a good compromise to me stock coils 8-10" are normal enough for 99% of the time

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by JonM » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:16 pm

I have just purchased and I am waiting for a delivery of the Golden Mask One 24khz on Monday, this will be my secondary machine to use on my holidays etc but I shall give it a good workout over the coming weeks. I have great expectations of the Golden Mask One.
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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by Bobcromer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 pm

That’s great Jon. I look forward to hearing about your sessions with the ONE 24.ive got mine but not had chance to go out with it yet. Will be good to hear about actual real time testing of it. I’m sure the ONE 15 will be good but the ONE 24 is an unusual as nothing much like it with that frequency which is why the interest. I’m eager to get out and give it ago myself. 👍

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by JonM » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:53 pm

I made my choice of the 24 for probably the same curious reason and why not? ..........
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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:12 pm

Dave Lowe wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:05 pm
Whats the best coil to get with a Golden Mask one ?
hello, i have a 10 x 12 DD on my plus 1 uk

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:41 am

garrettoldboy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:10 am
hello, i would go with the 15 Khz model
hello, i also have another GM type detector with duel frequency of 8 and 18.

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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by JonM » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:33 pm

The Golden Mask One 24 arrived today and I am extremely impressed with the build quality of the machine and also with the ws106 headphones, very light on the arm and the backlight is a welcome bonus. The machine seems very concise on the few items selected as test pieces so ........ we shall see what the near future holds.
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Re: Golden mask ONE 15 or 24 khz

Post by garrettoldboy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 pm

JonM wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:33 pm
The Golden Mask One 24 arrived today and I am extremely impressed with the build quality of the machine and also with the ws106 headphones, very light on the arm and the backlight is a welcome bonus. The machine seems very concise on the few items selected as test pieces so ........ we shall see what the near future holds.
hello, let us know how you get on with your new detector jon, try the rusty nail and silver coin test, my GM 1 UK worked very well and nulled out the iron giving a good signal on the coin

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