Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:42 am

And don’t forget the rally calendar is in the top blue bar of every page of the forum. Here you can see a list of lots of events, by month ::g

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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by chip » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:15 am

Saw the March the 18th dig on the rally calender was in Hertfordshire so thought can’t be far from me, google mapped it and it is in Herefordshire :D so a bit to far from me.
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:18 am

chip wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:15 am
Saw the March the 18th dig on the rally calender was in Hertfordshire so thought can’t be far from me, google mapped it and it is in Herefordshire :D so a bit to far from me.
Oops, sorry rl; i’ll get it changed ::g
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by punkdaddy » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:09 pm

this was an eye opener to a newbie like myself.
planting finds etc....wow
i was thinking of attending a rally just to maybe learn some bits from some more experienced detectors.
Theres no chance of getting in a local club as the Essex ones seem full with massive waiting lists.
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:15 pm

punkdaddy wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:09 pm
this was an eye opener to a newbie like myself.
planting finds etc....wow
i was thinking of attending a rally just to maybe learn some bits from some more experienced detectors.
Theres no chance of getting in a local club as the Essex ones seem full with massive waiting lists.
The smaller charity digs are usually great ones to go to. A much better chance of chatting to people, having fun, etc. Just ask questions and do some research on a dig before you take the trouble to drive there and pay your hard earned cash ::g
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by oldartefact » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:53 pm

punkdaddy wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:09 pm
this was an eye opener to a newbie like myself.
planting finds etc....wow
i was thinking of attending a rally just to maybe learn some bits from some more experienced detectors.
Theres no chance of getting in a local club as the Essex ones seem full with massive waiting lists.
It can be relatively easy to get into a club ... here are a few tips
1. Attend the monthly club meetings as a guest
2. Make sure you introduce yourself to anyone who will listen
3. Volunteer for anything and everything
4. After a few months ask if you can attend one or two digs as a guest
5. Show a genuine interest in other members finds
6. Organise a dig for the club members
And hey presto you, by your own actions, promote yourself to the top of the list.

What happens in some clubs is that no one volunteers to do anything, so someone new coming along, showing that they are willing to help is like a breath of fresh air.

Waiting lists generally only apply to those who are not proactive in being active ... as MB would say ... Give so much more than you get.



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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by liamnolan » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:40 pm

Going a bit off-topic ..
Great video! I agree re promoting your usefulness when trying to get into a detecting club, but there is always the option to start up your own club. It does NOT have to start out in grand proportions. It could be a regular 5 or 6 friends who meet up in the Royal Oak every Tuesdays in the back room at 7pm, over a few pints and making some plans to get out the following week, share some land, check out each others finds, attend some local rallies and meet other groups and off you go, others want to join your little happy gang, the landlord is happy with increased trade on a quiet night .. Many on this forum have started their own clubs, myself included and plenty of useful topics here to guide anyone.

Getting back on topic, clubs generally come up with the best land for their own members, they all know each other and they would not want to mislead their own friends on the quality of the land to be detected. Once money and profit come into the mix then it can start to fall down, not always of course but money is usually at the heart of any Rally problem, Liam :;@
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:49 am

The original post is still relevant today, four years after I posed it, just a lot of the big rallies have become even more commercialised, just ask yourself if you are going for the social side of things or metal detecting :-/ :))

Costs have also increased, don’t expect to get a weekender for anything less than £50 ::g

Stick to the smaller ones if you want a better detecting experience, larger ones if you want to meet loads of people. I only went to one last year and did find a Henry VIII coin, but that was from a trusted group.

Also try and get yourself on club digs as a guest, a good compromise to rallies

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Post by jcmaloney » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:50 am

oldartefact wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:53 pm

It can be relatively easy to get into a club ... here are a few tips
1. Attend the monthly club meetings as a guest
2. Make sure you introduce yourself to anyone who will listen
3. Volunteer for anything and everything
4. After a few months ask if you can attend one or two digs as a guest
5. Show a genuine interest in other members finds
6. Organise a dig for the club members
And hey presto you, by your own actions, promote yourself to the top of the list.

What happens in some clubs is that no one volunteers to do anything, so someone new coming along, showing that they are willing to help is like a breath of fresh air.

Waiting lists generally only apply to those who are not proactive in being active ... as MB would say ... Give so much more than you get.



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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:57 am

I agree, OA’s post is spot on, I see it all the time, I could write a three pager on how people can get on digs but it does truly come down to the amount of effort put in, sadly many don’t see or get it. See hundreds of posts on here and across Facebook for people asking to get out as buddies etc but many just want an easy ride. It is a fickle hobby that can’t just have money thrown at it to get results.

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Post by JBM » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:56 am

Commercialism has become a problem for our hobby and unfortunately we cant put the clock back.

Folks can still join a traditional club in some ares and they are far more affordable.

Our club WHRADA has a dig every week at varied farms and holds a monthly meeting with finds tables etc.

We also support local charities

All this for less than 70p a week and that includes NCMD membership.

I will always be traditionalist with regards our hobby and over the many years our club finds have been amazing.

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Post by jcmaloney » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:25 am

Sadly "commercialism" is seen by others who WILL turn the clock back by any means necessary.That will impact on the traditional well run clubs doing so much for their local communities.
If "we" were more selective of how we spend our money or go about our hobby the problem would sort it self out.
Do "we" want to learn, expand our skill set & contribute to knowledge both locally & nationally .... or do "we" just "wanna dig with a bunch of strangers for £20?" ??
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Post by oldartefact » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:02 pm

By allowing individuals to be club members on a "I do nothing - just turn up to digs" basis ... we are effectively promoting, a hobby ethos of "pay as you go... and put nothing back". If clubs were insistent that every single member pulls their weight, or leaves, the club scene would be thriving, there would be loads of spare places, loads of sites to dig. But as it is the willing few have to carry the not so willing masses... and that is okay until the willing few say "we've been used for too long". I want to see a thriving club scene, but sadly its all on the wane, because we allow the "I do nothing" ethos to win out.
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:44 pm

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Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:02 pm
By allowing individuals to be club members on a "I do nothing - just turn up to digs" basis ... we are effectively promoting, a hobby ethos of "pay as you go... and put nothing back". If clubs were insistent that every single member pulls their weight, or leaves, the club scene would be thriving, there would be loads of spare places, loads of sites to dig. But as it is the willing few have to carry the not so willing masses... and that is okay until the willing few say "we've been used for too long". I want to see a thriving club scene, but sadly its all on the wane, because we allow the "I do nothing" ethos to win out.
You wouldn't believe how true that statement is to my club, most of the committee are stepping down with no one prepared to have a go at helping out.

I think it fits in with the changing face of what a 'detectorist' is today, all intertwined with getting permission and clubs/rallies.

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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:52 pm

punkdaddy wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:09 pm
this was an eye opener to a newbie like myself.
planting finds etc....wow
i was thinking of attending a rally just to maybe learn some bits from some more experienced detectors.
Theres no chance of getting in a local club as the Essex ones seem full with massive waiting lists.
Hi, don't let it put you off to much, just do your research if you go on any digs, and yes this is still happening re people taking finds along !

Essex is a difficult area to get in a club, mainly because those clubs are very good ones. I would suggest getting a few like minded local detectorists together and starting your own club up, there will be plenty of people around your way ready to join, just take it one step at a time.

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Post by tricky micky » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:01 pm

very good post Dave , i have only been to one rally , had a great time and i am of the opinion you pay your money and take your chance , but what do i know being new to detecting. as you say its your own personal choose to attend, i am a member of a club by the fact i bought my detector off them and they send me emails asking to attend a rally but it is a 3.5 hour drive so i do decline if they say fields detected before , but have made a decision to attend one this year but will wait for the "never been detected" words to appear . but thank you for a good informative post

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Post by Quoin » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:09 pm

I have made some good finds at rallies so definitely worth a try if you don't have much land of your own. There are probably some pay on the day digs most weekends near you also. Weekend wanderers is one that I used to go on and again I made some good finds. I never bothered with a club and just go on my own land these days which is the best option for finding stuff in my opinion.

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Post by Dave8472 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:10 pm

Thanks, I know the thread comes off a little negative now, but it was intended to be a balanced view, I love detecting different places and counties and a rally or large group opens this up for me.

I must admit I had my first Roman coin and hammered coin both on Rallies and don't regret going on any.

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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Saffron » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:19 pm

tricky micky wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:01 pm

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I decline if they say fields detected before, but have made a decision to attend one this year but will wait for the "never been detected" words to appear.
Always read the small print.

A dig on a site previously detected that produced a lot of good finds AND has since been ploughed has a good chance of producing the goods again, especially if roman coins were found as a lot of detectors will struggle to find these at more than say 6", so any coins below that depth would have been missed and due to the ploughing now be in reach of your detector.
By organisers returning to a site I would expect (well at least hope!) that there was a good reason to do so. I know the group you are talking about and in at least some instances (I do not know enough to say more than that) return visits have produced again good finds.

While with a site that has "never been detected" there is always a chance that there is nothing there to find to start with!!.

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Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:27 pm

Saffron wrote:
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While with a site that has "never been detected" there is always a chance that there is nothing there to find to start with!!.

Evan
That is a very good point. I went on one dig where there were little finds and I actually do think it was just one of those fields that had rarely been walked on.

I also have one permission that is like that. It absolutely has never been detected and there is history round it. But there is pretty much nothing to be found when you detect it. A good plough (its pasture) might transform it but until then it’s barren.
So if you go on a dig and are finding nothing it’s not always that it’s been done to death!
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Post by oldartefact » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:27 pm

There is a misconception in the hobby and it is this...
Many think that the only reason for joining a club is to get access to land, its believed that £5 is a fair price to pay, and once paid any obligation, towards helping their fellow members, has been met. To be honest that is the really ugly bit, and its arguably the failure of many of us to pull our own weight that will see the demise of the club scene, and the subsequent promotion of other types of land access models.
Arguably the only reason clubs have long waiting lists is because they already have their fair share of members who dont make an effective contribution to their club. So the willing few put up the shutters, to new members.
Its also very important that members understand that it is their duty as members.. to support digs .. all digs ... and that means the good bad and the ugly sites. Organising digs takes alot of upfront and background effort, so its very disappointing when members dont turn out in sufficient numbers, as it is disappointing that few attend the monthly club meetings, as it is disappointing that when volunteers are requested only the same old, same old, put themselves forward, because nobody else will.
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Post by kenleyboy » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:58 pm

Its also very important that members understand that it is their duty as members.. to support digs .. all digs ... and that means the good bad and the ugly sites. Organising digs takes alot of upfront and background effort, so its very disappointing when members dont turn out in sufficient numbers, as it is disappointing that few attend the monthly club meetings, as it is disappointing that when volunteers are requested only the same old, same old, put themselves forward, because nobody else will.

I agree , it took me a fair old while to actually become a member of our local club . I initially started out as a guest but made every effort to attend all meetings albeit one or two missed due to outside commitments . Now a full member and I have attended all digs , good and bad and will continue to do so as I too feel is is very important that a club member supports the effort of the hardy few who spend a lot of time organising such events for us , the members .
To be fair we do have a regular almost full number attendance for meetings and digs , so a happy medium for all . I , like many other club members will always be willing to step in if any help was required , without the club we got no digs , simple .
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by f8met » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:59 am

I think there are 3 streams here.

First there are the clubs who have monthly meetings, finds tables, visits from the FLO but certainly a social element at club nights. They maybe have land and digs for the benefits of the members at little or no cost. Made up of people from the local area with the numbers kept low. These are the traditional clubs which people have to put in the work and effort to keep it running with accounts and AGMs and the like.

Then there are the commercial "clubs" where you pay an annual membership fee and pay a dig fee with non-members paying more per dig and are essentially a virtual club. Members can come from all over the country. No meetings outside of the digs, most people probably don't know who runs it or probably even cares as they just turn up, pay and dig. No elected committee or accounts and the people running the club use the money to pay the landowners and any surplus is not accounted for in the traditional sense. There is a forum or facebook finds table and unless the finder records with the FLO, finds may not get recorded. This is more of the modern club attitude that relies less on individuals input and there may be a financial gain for the organisers. Modern technology has allowed these types of clubs to boom with instant communication and sharing over the whole country.

Finally there are the one off charity rallies where the money goes to charity which are self evident.

When people speak of clubs now there are more of the commercial type which are more open and accessible which does give people more access to land. From the experience I have had of these types of clubs is they do offer quite a few carrots with reports of what had previously been found on the land. The one local to me has even been on the same field 2 weeks in a row but accessed it and parked at different ends so if you didn't realise you would think you were in 2 different places! The stuff found may have been over a number of years or visits and I am not convinced that some land that may have been worked a lot could have been seeded with finds by organisers. People taking their own finds are either doing it to impress or launder to legitimise finds (not so convinced on that one).

Then again, my traditional club doesn't have may club digs and when they do it is on the same land as no one else (including the man with a million acres) is willing to let anyone on their land as they are very protective. The same fields have been detected on for 20 odd years but they still turn up finds for the 10 people who attend.

I appreciate this is going to open up the commercial club debate and I can see the benefits and disadvantages but personally there are more cons than pros for me on the commercial rallies but that is because I have my own land. You just have to think of a rally as 50 people doing in one day what 1 person would take 50 days to do.

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Post by jcmaloney » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:24 am

^^spot on.

"Traditional Clubs" offer so much more.
"Charity Digs" are what they say they are.


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Post by Nectardetector » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:55 pm

Went on a rally once got lied to from start to finish there these fields to do oh no we keeping them there’s these fields instead lol never been detected all that nonsense went round talking to a few guys and they said it’s there land they are letting it happen to help a friend out and they have detected it for the last 30 years lol ridiculous and the marshals were the only guys that found anything proper put up just to keep you interested there was a few hundred people there so it wasn’t only me never again for this chap and it was 55 pound disgraceful
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Post by jcmaloney » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:00 pm

Nectardetector wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:55 pm
Went on a rally once got lied to from start to finish there these fields to do oh no we keeping them there’s these fields instead lol never been detected all that nonsense went round talking to a few guys and they said it’s there land they are letting it happen to help a friend out and they have detected it for the last 30 years lol ridiculous and the marshals were the only guys that found anything proper put up just to keep you interested there was a few hundred people there so it wasn’t only me never again for this chap and it was 55 pound disgraceful
Exactly that..... lets say 200 folk at £55 a pop.... £11,000 ....cash....
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Post by f8met » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:36 pm

I wouldn't dispute that some weekend rallies do have a cost associated. Toilets, marquees, raffle prizes etc. It is how much is profit and what happens to it that could be the question.

I have noticed over the 4 years I have been detecting the cost per digs have gone up but nothing extra is provided. Is this market forces putting the price up, i.e. people are still paying so keep putting the price up or are there legitimate costs behind the scenes which need the increase?

At the end of the day, the commercial rallies are still working, must have a place and worth the organisers time as they would have stopped by now. You pay your money and takes your choice.
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Post by jcmaloney » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:42 pm

f8met wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:36 pm
I wouldn't dispute that some weekend rallies do have a cost associated. Toilets, marquees, raffle prizes etc. It is how much is profit and what happens to it that could be the question.

I have noticed over the 4 years I have been detecting the cost per digs have gone up but nothing extra is provided. Is this market forces putting the price up, i.e. people are still paying so keep putting the price up or are there legitimate costs behind the scenes which need the increase?

At the end of the day, the commercial rallies are still working, must have a place and worth the organisers time as they would have stopped by now. You pay your money and takes your choice.
Exactly that. ::g
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by oldartefact » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:23 pm

I am going avoid any debates on the issue ::g ::g ::g other to say that all types of clubs have their benefits and all types of clubs have their down sides. Tbh lets not all get into "My dad is better than your Dad" debate. It serves no purpose and only gets people backs up...
I like to concentrate on the positives, while noting the negatives, and think about how we can move the hobby forward in friendship and harmony.
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Re: Attending Rally's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

Post by Dave8472 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:42 am

Just a bump for those thinking of going to a rally, do your homework before handing over large sums of money, especially the big commercial events...

Beware of the phase "undetected" might not have been by that organiser, but may have been smashed by the local clubs, do a search on the internet and ask on the forums, someone will always know what land has been detected. that doesn't mean there will be no finds, as good arable will always throw up new finds.

If you are going for the social side of things then not so much of an issue to hand over £50+ for a chat with a few mates lol...

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