Live in the UK ? Dont buy a ACE350 Buy the Garrett EUROACE

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Live in the UK ? Dont buy a ACE350 Buy the Garrett EUROACE

Post by acaldin » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:11 pm

Just ordered the new Euro ace 350 .
I am new to this and didnt relaise that the american version wasnt set up for English soil and that the Euro Ace had been designed especially for European soil. I was going to order the the ace 350 iam so glad that i didnt. I might of saved a few quid but in the long run i could have caused a night mare if it went wrong. The circuit boards on the ace 350 and the euro ace are different so if your detector was to go wrong you would need to send it back to the states for repair. This would cause valuable time and extreme costs in transporting the machine back and forth. So please dont make this mistake for the sake of a couple of Pounds saving its just not worth it.

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Post by acaldin » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:22 pm

no problems thank you

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Post by philip formby » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:00 pm

surely garrett would have some kind of repair facility in europe?
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Post by Steve » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:14 pm

Hi,
I'm sorry but I don't see what the issue is with the machines. A lot of people on here have the Garrett Ace's, I for one havn't had any problems with mine, if you learn the tones of machine, you will know when or when not to dig.
I think most garrett machines come with a two year warranty and if your machine plays up and it's not operator error sending it back for warranty repair shouldn't be an issue and the freight costs should be minimal or not at all.

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Post by Blackadder43 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:24 pm

The difference with this new euroace is that it has been designed for UK soil conditions and not USA conditions....
This makes a lot of difference with ground balancing.......which many people seriously underestimate, especialy with machines such as the 250 which has no manual ground balance, it is factory preset and preset for USA mineralisation conditions.....

Also the discrim settings i believe have been altered...
Plenty of reason to look into purchasing one...
Having said that Cscope have been making detectors for UK conditions for many years...and are damn good at it....
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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:06 am

The ACE 350 and the Euro 350 are the same. The ACE is not calibrated to "Europe", how could it? You would have to calibrate it to each country or region. Not possible and Garrett knows it. The Euro ACe has a generic faceplate, that's it. The info coming out that the Ace 350 is somehow calibrated to Europe or England is just hearsay and has no credibility. I got my Ace350 from the US for US dollars and I just ignore the US coinage.

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Post by mrix » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:07 am

The ACE 350 and the Euro 350 are the same.
:-/

The Garrett Euroace is not the Garrett ACE350.
The info coming out that the Ace 350 is somehow calibrated to Europe or England is just hearsay and has no credibility
What credibility have you to say different :-/ :)

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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:44 am

Because nothing has come from Garrett's that says otherwise. If they had recalibrated it, they would have been crowing this, but they haven't. All they did was remove the US coinage faceplate. When Garrett comes out and says "Yes, we calibrated the Euro 350 and here is what we did" then we can believe it. Otherwise it's probably just sellers in Europe trying to sell the Euro as "Euro-calibrated" so punters don't take the cheap option and by US.

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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:11 pm

The EuroAce has 5 Iron discrimination segments rather than the US 4, but really, I don't believe that it makes the Euro that dramatically different at all from the US version. The proof will be in the testing. But don't be surprised if all it was, was a marketing ploy to get the edge on the European market, like their competitors are trying to do. The 350's modifications were budget modifications.
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Post by simonnett » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:26 pm

So do you go for the Ace 250 or the Euro Ace 350?

What is the difference, is there any for the extra £80 or so?

That dam yellow though .......!

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Post by mrix » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:29 pm

So do you go for the Ace 250 or the Euro Ace 350?
There is no Euro Ace 350, its basically just know as the Euroace :)

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Post by simonnett » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:45 pm

Anybody actually got a Euro Ace?

Has there been any so called Field Tests yet or comparisons against the 250?

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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:21 pm

simonnett wrote:So do you go for the Ace 250 or the Euro Ace 350?

What is the difference, is there any for the extra £80 or so?

That dam yellow though .......!
I bought the Garrett Ace 350, I have it here with me now and I'm testing it out, slowly. The difference between the 250 and 350 is not that huge. If I already had the 250 (which I don't) I wouldn't buy the Ace/Euro 350 because the changes are not that dramatic. If I was really looking for a 'leap' I'd go for the AT Pro. But then at US$300 more than the 350, is it really a bargain?

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Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:36 pm

baoluo
This is the thing with the 350euro compared to the 250
The changes are not striking in your face ones...
They are subtle electronic and discrimination changes to compensate for the type of finds that UK and euro people are likely to find....Hammered etc...
And the discrimination i think has been tweaked to allow for UK and euro mineralisation and soil conditions....etc....
Its basicaly a 250 but catering for UK and euro conditions and not US coinage and conditions...
I think :-/
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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:42 pm

Blackadder43 wrote:baoluo
This is the thing with the 350euro compared to the 250
The changes are not striking in your face ones...
They are subtle electronic and discrimination changes to compensate for the type of finds that UK and euro people are likely to find....Hammered etc...
And the discrimination i think has been tweaked to allow for UK and euro mineralisation and soil conditions....etc....
Its basicaly a 250 but catering for UK and euro conditions and not US coinage and conditions...
I think :-/

I guess time will tell when a few more people get to testing it out. How much tweaking they have actually done will be known soon.

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Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:42 pm

Baolou
You seem a bit angry with the machine?
The EuroAce has 5 Iron discrimination segments rather than the US 4, but really, I don't believe that it makes the Euro that dramatically different at all from the US version
You underestimate how much difference this could make to the machine being able to process and ID our coinage (especialy hammered) against American coinage......
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Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:45 pm

Remember we can find coins that have been in the ground for 2000 years plus....The USA detectorists are lucky for anything over 300 years....
Thas an awfull lot of difference for a machine to compensate for...

As you say though things will become clear as people buy them and use them over here...
It wont be long before we know one way or the other....

A part of me wants to agree with you on the marketing ploy aspect, but i will keep an open mind....
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Post by Kmarsh » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:28 pm

Hers the advert on Regtons........... does have a DD coil and higher khz........which has to be an improvement....... :)

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Post by philip formby » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:33 pm

baoluo wrote:The ACE 350 and the Euro 350 are the same. The ACE is not calibrated to "Europe", how could it? You would have to calibrate it to each country or region. Not possible and Garrett knows it. The Euro ACe has a generic faceplate, that's it. The info coming out that the Ace 350 is somehow calibrated to Europe or England is just hearsay and has no credibility. I got my Ace350 from the US for US dollars and I just ignore the US coinage.
agree 100 percent with this fact. for all you know the euroace may be set for a field outside heathrow airport/or stuttgart /calais whatever .NO two fields are alike
and the smart money tells me that garretts designers would be like "ok lets set the euroaces ground conditions based on the country in europe where we have sold the most machines previously" makes sense right?
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Post by simonnett » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:46 pm

I think that until we get some sort of official comment from a genuine Garrett Engineer about what they have done / changed for the UK soil conditions etc., this debate will not be solved!

Nigel is saying he has worked with Garrett to get the machine sorted for us but me being a skeptic, he might just be saying that so he can sell hundreds of machines.

Please accept my apologies if I am wrong but I have seen this with other electrical products coming to the UK from the US.

It would be difficult to make it a UK / Europe only machine but the Garrett Engineer needs to say in technical terms to us exactly what they have tweaked / changed. A slightly different frequency and coil doesn't really cry out Yay to me. Yes, one extra segment of Iron Discrim is nice to have but car manufacturers just move the steering wheel across to the other side and make the lights dip the other way.

Not an improvement, just different!

We need proper tests, users reports and Garretts Official (what they've done) bit so at least we then know etc.

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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:32 pm

philip formby wrote:
baoluo wrote:The ACE 350 and the Euro 350 are the same. The ACE is not calibrated to "Europe", how could it? You would have to calibrate it to each country or region. Not possible and Garrett knows it. The Euro ACe has a generic faceplate, that's it. The info coming out that the Ace 350 is somehow calibrated to Europe or England is just hearsay and has no credibility. I got my Ace350 from the US for US dollars and I just ignore the US coinage.
agree 100 percent with this fact. for all you know the euroace may be set for a field outside heathrow airport/or stuttgart /calais whatever .NO two fields are alike
and the smart money tells me that garretts designers would be like "ok lets set the euroaces ground conditions based on the country in europe where we have sold the most machines previously" makes sense right?
I think this "calibration" is probably the extra iron segment and if that's the case, it's not particularly significant from the US model.

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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:44 pm

Blackadder43 wrote:Baolou
You seem a bit angry with the machine?
The EuroAce has 5 Iron discrimination segments rather than the US 4, but really, I don't believe that it makes the Euro that dramatically different at all from the US version
You underestimate how much difference this could make to the machine being able to process and ID our coinage (especialy hammered) against American coinage......
Heck no, I'm not angry at all. I like my ACE 350. I didn't expect any big changes, just a few tweaks here and there, and got them - on a budget. It's a budget machine. The BIG tweaks are on the AT PRO. My concern is that owners of 250s are going to go out and buy the ACE 350 thinking that there dramatic changes. People would be wasting their money if that were the case.

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Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:55 pm

My concern is that owners of 250s are going to go out and buy the ACE 350 thinking that there dramatic changes. People would be wasting their money if that were the case.
Ahhh, ok mate....fair comment that....
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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:06 pm

simonnett wrote:I think that until we get some sort of official comment from a genuine Garrett Engineer about what they have done / changed for the UK soil conditions etc., this debate will not be solved!

Not an improvement, just different!

We need proper tests, users reports and Garretts Official (what they've done) bit so at least we then know etc.
Right, so my question is how come they didn't come out with all this information? Seems to me that they have been VERY quiet about the ACE 350's adjustments and little technical information except that which you expect coming from their marketing arm.

Again, I'm happy with ACE 350 because I don't have a 250 and didn't fall into buying one if I had a 250. I know that what I have is a slightly tweaked 250, and that's fine.

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Post by furriner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:24 pm

Is it just me or is this thread getting a bit off the rails?

Has anyone actually tried one ofthe machine mentioned?
Can anyone get a comment in without mentioning the *** 250/350 or even the company *******s?!

I reserve judgement on the new machine, the presets and mineralisation could well be an issue (read the comments of Blackadder and Old Jeffers - they know what they're talking about - no sarcasm intended). Has anyone actually had a bad experience of one of the machines or nearly did? (in which case they didn't?)

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Post by baoluo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:28 pm

simonnett wrote:I think that until we get some sort of official comment from a genuine Garrett Engineer about what they have done / changed for the UK soil conditions etc., this debate will not be solved!

Nigel is saying he has worked with Garrett to get the machine sorted for us but me being a skeptic, he might just be saying that so he can sell hundreds of machines.
I think your cynicism is well justified.

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Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:42 pm

Baolou
How often have you used your 350 so far?
Have you tryed looking for a detecting partner with the 250 to give the machines a proper field test?
You have made your point quite clearly about your thoughts.....
I personaly would like to see genuine test results now to back these up.....
Looking forward to reading this thread...
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Post by THE MOLE » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:57 pm

Old Jeffers wrote:Of course if you don't like Garret machines or don't trust either the company or their agents you could buy a C-Scope!
I've just eMailed Garret in Texas for any information that can shed some light on this confusion.
did garrett get back to you one that one mate ?

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Post by THE MOLE » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:54 pm

Old Jeffers wrote:No. They clearly received the eMail but failed to acknowledge it.

However this does seem to be a bit of a 'storm in a teacup.'
You can't actually buy an Ace 350 from an official Garrett stockist in the UK.

Differences between the EuroAce and the Ace 250 are outlined on Garrett's website:
• Powerful, large 28 x 22 cm PROformance
Double-D searchcoil
• Higher Frequency*—Offers improved ability to detect small, conductive targets (hammered coins, nuggets).
• Volume-control headphones— Garrett’s ClearSound Easy Stow headphones are included with the EuroACE.
• Enhanced Iron Resolution™—allows more precise control over how much iron
discrimination to apply. Use to separate good treasure targets from adjacent iron trash.
EuroACE Key Features:
For more information on the new EuroACE, visit http://www.garrett.com/euroace/
• Improved Audio*—Tone ID otpimized to indicate distinctions between ferrous and non-ferrous targets.
* Compared to ACE 250/150.


Also the EuroAce is not a re-badged Ace 350.
Further, I would think that he pinpointing has to be better on the EuroAce, with the new coil, as the Ace 250 was problematic in that area.
Whether the differences warrant the price hike is a moot point but I haven't heard too many complaints about this machine. But they must know they're getting cose to C3MX territory pricewise! Although I notice that many of the Garrett dealers have already dropped the price to £239 ! I see in the available accessories a box cover that makes the control box look BLACK!! B-)
well although i now have one i havent used it yet although i did give it a quick try today in our back but then ive never used any other so coudnt compare it if i wanted to, the cover for the box is actually free atm with the euro and so is a backpak . the £239 price was supposed to be an introductry offer acording to most retailers and was going to its selling price of £279 which i suppose is about the price if you add in the free accesories

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Post by THE MOLE » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:58 pm

by the way i also have emailed garrett to find out if a coil cover for this model will be available soon and also havent recived a reply, customer services dont seem to be up to much do they

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