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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Saffron » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:08 pm

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The Ace machines have a fixed ground balance suited to land, therefore they can struggle on sand. My 400i was taken to Lytham St Annes. A soon as there was moisture under the surface sand it struggled and falsed. Some people say notch out the blocks all the way to 70, but personally I think they are just not a good choice for wet sand, like many other machines.

On the dry sand it was great fun, and I made a handsome collection of foil and beer cans :))
Agree with your comment about the fixed ground balance but would change "they can struggle on sand" to "they can struggle on wet sand" (including where its under the surface and not obvious). But the whole range are excelent starter machines and IMHO great value for money and most people would buy them for mainly detecting inland rather than beaches. If you want a specialist beach machine, or even good all rounder, you are talking more money than the Ace range which most newbies would rightly not want to spend. But even with the Ace range you can as you say have "great fun" which is what the hobby is all about.

With the 250 notching out the first 3 segments certainly helped (on land I only knock out the first 2), as that extra segment reduced the amount of false signals and more importantly found less foil. I do not know how this relates to the "70" on the 400i.

What did attract my attention was your footer "Garrett 400i + Nel Tornado coil". I beach detect in the South West where the beaches are reasonably "detector friendly", with the 250 and the standard coil I had no trouble at all on the dry sand and it was OK (but admittedly some falsing) on the wet. However, one day I only had the Tornado coil that was on the machine. It coped fine on the dry sand but was constant falsing on the wet and after a very short time I was forced to withdraw to the dry sand. If you watch the video that was linked to earlier in this thread it explains why a larger coils will false more than a small coil, so it could be worth trying the standard coil and seeing how you get on.

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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by oldartefact » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:00 pm

When I started fly fishing it took me 6 trips to catch my first fish... Why? Because I just didnt have faith... I didnt believe I would catch a fish and I didnt. So a mate took me down to the same place just after it had been stocked, he assured me ... "You will 100% catch a fish today" and I did!!
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Mud Max » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:56 pm

Saffron wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:08 pm
Mud Max wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:28 am
The Ace machines have a fixed ground balance suited to land, therefore they can struggle on sand. My 400i was taken to Lytham St Annes. A soon as there was moisture under the surface sand it struggled and falsed. Some people say notch out the blocks all the way to 70, but personally I think they are just not a good choice for wet sand, like many other machines.

On the dry sand it was great fun, and I made a handsome collection of foil and beer cans :))
Agree with your comment about the fixed ground balance but would change "they can struggle on sand" to "they can struggle on wet sand" (including where its under the surface and not obvious). But the whole range are excelent starter machines and IMHO great value for money and most people would buy them for mainly detecting inland rather than beaches. If you want a specialist beach machine, or even good all rounder, you are talking more money than the Ace range which most newbies would rightly not want to spend. But even with the Ace range you can as you say have "great fun" which is what the hobby is all about.

With the 250 notching out the first 3 segments certainly helped (on land I only knock out the first 2), as that extra segment reduced the amount of false signals and more importantly found less foil. I do not know how this relates to the "70" on the 400i.

What did attract my attention was your footer "Garrett 400i + Nel Tornado coil". I beach detect in the South West where the beaches are reasonably "detector friendly", with the 250 and the standard coil I had no trouble at all on the dry sand and it was OK (but admittedly some falsing) on the wet. However, one day I only had the Tornado coil that was on the machine. It coped fine on the dry sand but was constant falsing on the wet and after a very short time I was forced to withdraw to the dry sand. If you watch the video that was linked to earlier in this thread it explains why a larger coils will false more than a small coil, so it could be worth trying the standard coil and seeing how you get on.

Evan


Yes I made it clear that there was a big difference dependant on type of sand. It's a good point about the Tornado, and the fact that your going to need a fair few quid if you want a bespoke beach machine, or one that is built to be more diverse. I certainly don't regret buying the 400i though, but if beach detecting was the greater part of my time I would plump for something else, possibly second hand if needs be. But on the fields it performs very well as all the Aces seem to do. Small wonder they are so popular considering what you get for the price.
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:31 pm

A quick update. I did 2 tests today. One on a 'dry beach' on the west coast of Scotland, and my detector hardly made a sound. Oddly, this lack of beeping made me happy, as it suggests that there is nothing wrong with the machine. I also did a test on a field, once again, almost no false alerts, and I found a 1930's tin lid with 'Snowfire Vanishing Cream' written on it.

I am pretty confident that the detector is working fine. I don't know why it behaved so poorly on Portobello Beach, it could be due to a multitude of factors described in this forum, ranging from the geology of the beach, to the fact that it's probably full of junk. Anyway, one thing is for sure, I won't be going back there :-)

Thanks for all your help.

ps. I've also ordered an Intey pinpointer, which I think will be a massive help on the beach. Trying to locate a small coin in sand, is not a fun task!
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:35 pm

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Hi again!
Reading all the good advice about beach detecting makes me want to hit the beaches.
All through this i thought you were awa doon sooth.
However youre a bit closer than that.....if you fancy a crack at a rig and furrow meadow field thats just been cut,with targets galore...masses of cast but unfired musket balls?!a lot of georgian remnants from bonfires and the chance of medieval from the farmstead across the road send me a pm.
Thanks for the offer Lowland, if I'm back down your neck of the woods, I'll send you a PM. Sounds like you have some great hunting ground close to you.

I seem to have literally driven over half of Scotland in the past week, and am going to try and stayer closer to home for now. I certainly won't be going back to Edinburgh, that's for sure. ::g
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:02 pm

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No, don't have scuff cover on, though plan to get one.

:-/ :-/ This might sound stupid, but are you sure?. If you bought it new it should of had one already fitted. Being new to detecting it might not be obvious as its black the same as the coil and tight fitting.
Easy way to check is on a coil with no cover as you come off the top of the coil to go down the side it will be smooth, while if there is a cover there will be a little lip which is the top edge of the cover.
Only way I can see you not having one is if you bought it preused and previous owner had broken it.
I've looked again, and I honestly don't think I've got a scuff cover. If there was a coil cover, surely you wouldn't be able to see through all the openings in the coil?

I have added a coil cover to my purchase list, but have splashed out on a pinpointer, which will help me a lot on the beach.
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Saffron » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:38 pm

detectorman5050 wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:02 pm
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No, don't have scuff cover on, though plan to get one.

:-/ :-/ This might sound stupid, but are you sure?. If you bought it new it should of had one already fitted. Being new to detecting it might not be obvious as its black the same as the coil and tight fitting.
Easy way to check is on a coil with no cover as you come off the top of the coil to go down the side it will be smooth, while if there is a cover there will be a little lip which is the top edge of the cover.
Only way I can see you not having one is if you bought it preused and previous owner had broken it.
I've looked again, and I honestly don't think I've got a scuff cover. If there was a coil cover, surely you wouldn't be able to see through all the openings in the coil?

I have added a coil cover to my purchase list, but have splashed out on a pinpointer, which will help me a lot on the beach.
For clarification the coil cover only covers the coil and fits tightly to it, it does not block any of the gaps between the various parts so you can "see through all the openings in the coil" exactly as if it did not have a cover.
Anyway if you have not got one I agree with you in getting one, if like me you are "not the most delicate" with the detector and apt to catch the odd obstruction then damaging and having to replace a £10 cover is much preferable to having to replace a £100 coil (round figures for example), also should you upgrade or pack detecting up at some point and wish to sell the Ace 250 having used a cover will ensure the coil is in good condition.

I know some people do not use a pinpointer but I find it invaluable, especially for those very small items, so IMHO you are doing the right thing on getting one and I am sure you will find it makes things a lot easier.

From your other posts it shows you are very keen and "traveling all over Scotland" so good luck with your hunting.

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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Phil2401 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:51 pm

Nothing else to do so thought I'd post some twaddle.

I think I'm agreeing with Oldartefact's sentiments - doesn't matter what machine you're using, what the weather is, whether your finds are interesting or not (usually not) - you've had a good day out whether by yourself or with others, got some exercise, fresh air and been to a a place far away from the daily routine and, just like a good long walk, you can spend a lot of undistracted thinking time putting all your worries into perspective. Good therapy if you need it, but a good experience in any event.

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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:46 pm

One very simple thing none of us have mentioned. When you switched it on were you near your car, iron railings or anything similar? If you were it would produce signals all over the place. Remember to be away from big metal (and electricity cables-did that once x; ) and point in air, switch on and count slowly to at least 10 before lowering. Another basic thing, but as you've eliminated the machine being faulty it's the next most obvious thing just to remember to be aware of. And as you were near a beach the amount of metal in reinforced concrete near the car park would be huge x;

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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by detectorman5050 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:27 pm

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One very simple thing none of us have mentioned. When you switched it on were you near your car, iron railings or anything similar? If you were it would produce signals all over the place.
Hello again. I've been using the ACE 250 for a few weeks now. Mainly on beaches, dry sand, pebbly beaches, and even wet sand. I've made quite a number of finds, ranging from a mysterious 'silver' looking necklace with 'diamonds' on it (can't see any hallmark,) to very annoying black rocks that like to 'kid on' that they are metal.

Over the weeks, I've become more familiar with the machine's limitations, and have developed more realistic expectations. I am quite confident that my machine is not defective, and is performing as it should. I've also invested in a second hand pinpointer off Ebay, which has greatly reduced the number of abandoned holes I dig.

Once again, thanks for all the help. I really enjoy taking my metal detector out on a regular basis, even if I don't hit 'Viking Gold.'
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Saffron » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:32 am

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Hello again. I've been using the ACE 250 for a few weeks now. Mainly on beaches, dry sand, pebbly beaches, and even wet sand. I've made quite a number of finds, ranging from a mysterious 'silver' looking necklace with 'diamonds' on it (can't see any hallmark,) to very annoying black rocks that like to 'kid on' that they are metal.

Over the weeks, I've become more familiar with the machine's limitations, and have developed more realistic expectations. I am quite confident that my machine is not defective, and is performing as it should. I've also invested in a second hand pinpointer off Ebay, which has greatly reduced the number of abandoned holes I dig.

Once again, thanks for all the help. I really enjoy taking my metal detector out on a regular basis, even if I don't hit 'Viking Gold.'
That is great news, pleased that you have made "quite a number of finds". I suspect your detecting technique is now much better than when you started, and knowing the machine makes a massive difference.

Re the "mysterious 'silver' looking necklace with 'diamonds' on it", if you are not sure what it is then get it checked out, its probably a kids one and cheap metal and paste but you never know. Not all silver is hallmarked (it could be from overseas or low quality) - I found a signet ring the other week that I thought was silver but it was not hallmarked so got it checked out and they confirmed that it was (but as not stamped they could only call it "white metal" so only worth £10).

I find a pinpointer significantly reduces the frustration when trying to locate a very small target and makes the job so much easier, so well done on getting one.

Newcomers often think that every outing will produce great finds, it does not happen that way!, so initially you might have been expecting too much, but its great to see that you have now "developed more realistic expectations" but are still enjoying the hobby.
To put this in perspective I had an hour on the beach on Saturday and found £3.20, I consider this a good day as parking was £2.20 so I was a pound in profit ::g
On the down side early in this thread causes for "falsing" were given including renforced concrete from seawalls, at one point I did try to dig a slipway - I did not believe how far it stretched down the beach, nor how deep it was rl; ;;z

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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by Lowland » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:14 am

Hi again,
Very pleased for you ...
That viking hoard is out there somewhere!
It might be the next bleep.
The offer still stands if you fancy digging up some musket balls and iron in the borders.
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by slipper » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:47 am

I would like to thank the OP and all the contributors for this thread. As a newbie still deciding on a machine for beach and a 250 was foremost, this thread has made me rethink (yet again) lol.
Thanks all, great thread and amazing help from everyone.
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by veryoldshep » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:21 pm

Hi my friend , as a 250 user my advice is go to the local park , and try differant coins , just get used to the tones, i used all metals ,sensitivity 4 just to ruleout some irons. discrim out the first 2 modes (iron)... play with the g250, get to know it, maybe finding a coin or 2 will help, And as you say central scotland mybe a farm or three around you, wont hurt to ask the land owner.Just dont give up. theres lots to found by you yet..spend time with your machine ,it does pay off.
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by ivortripod » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:04 pm

Dear Sir :
My tip is don't bother with salt water beaches at all.
Anything down there is going to be corroded to hell...
Stick to freshwater fringes or pasture land and eventually you'll be better off ;)

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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by detectorman5050 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:07 pm

ivortripod wrote:
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Dear Sir :
My tip is don't bother with salt water beaches at all.
Anything down there is going to be corroded to hell...
Stick to freshwater fringes or pasture land and eventually you'll be better off ;)
Yes, I've noticed that several items I've found on the beach, look like they have been 'sand blasted beyond recognition.'

I've read that many people say the Ace 250 is not a 'beach machine.' I am just a beginner and can't comment on that. It certainly works fine on dry sand, my finds in the first few weeks, are mainly modern coins, lost jewellery (not valuable in my opinion,) children's toys dating back to the 60's, lost fishing tools etc, etc.

The downside I've found though, is that on most popular beaches, there is tons of junk; mainly ring pulls, drink cans, and foil. I am not at the level yet where I can I confidently rule these items out before starting to dig a hole. Another negative factor, is that on some beaches there are what is known as 'hot rocks;' stones with some sort of metallic content that set the detector off.

I recently tried a slightly less popular pebble beach, at water level (only a few cm,) and I was uncovering WW2 era items, a totally worn down coin (25mm by 25mm possibly silver,) and old house fittings (maybe Victorian.)

As for the 'silver' necklace, I'll need to get it measured/photographed, and posted on the ID forum here. It looks 'oldish,' Victorian type design, 20 small diamonds, and ruby in middle, but no hallmark.
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Re: Please Help a Struggling Ace 250 Newbie

Post by ivortripod » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:04 pm

I was pleased to see that you found replies on here helpful, must say I regularly find a good many genuine 'posters' on this forum :;@

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