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Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Fri May 18, 2018 2:57 pm

Has anyone ever had a record changed after reporting a suspected error ?? Or had any correspondence back.

This one jumped out at me

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/857637


Looks more like one of these


https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/811098

To me

I have filled in a few error reports in the last few years never had an email back or anything.


Did check back on an annular brooch over a year after reporting it. I had attached a photo of the same (not similar) draw pull.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by jcmaloney » Fri May 18, 2018 3:29 pm

Better off going via your local FLO with the reference number otherwise it kind of vanishes into the ether at PAS HQ.... ::g

Only errors I`ve had have been technical....other folks records being allocated to me. :-/

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by djm666 » Fri May 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Both the links look the same to me.

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Quoin » Fri May 18, 2018 4:39 pm

Me too?

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Quoin » Fri May 18, 2018 4:42 pm

I do think most of the Edward IV Durham mint halfpennys on PAS are clipped pennies.

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Easylife » Fri May 18, 2018 4:46 pm

I have noticed many errors on PAS, like a photo of a completely different artefact even. :D
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by fred » Fri May 18, 2018 5:14 pm

Your two items even have the same reference number. :D

I know from a conversation that I had last time that I was at the BM that there is a team there who are slowly trawling through the database as time permits correcting the errors that they spot. How one is supposed to report errors I really don't know.

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Post by Fusion » Fri May 18, 2018 6:20 pm

Quote:"How one is supposed to report errors I really don't know."

It's simple, click on the 'Report a Mistake' button near the bottom of the page, see attached pic.
I've used it before to tell a FLO about a seal matrix inscription ID.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Fri May 18, 2018 6:33 pm

Fusion wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:20 pm
Quote:"How one is supposed to report errors I really don't know."

It's simple, click on the 'Report a Mistake' button near the bottom of the page, see attached pic.
I've used it before to tell a FLO about a seal matrix inscription ID.
That's what i have been doing

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by oldartefact » Fri May 18, 2018 6:34 pm

Coming at this with my statisticians cap on, we always strive for accurate data, and "where important" go to extreme lengths to improve data quality. But these efforts come at a cost, they are not free, so in times of austerity sadly more stuff slips through the net than normally would. I suspect that there is a strong correlation between how much we value our civil servants, and the amount of work that comes out the other end.
Now with my Bankers hat on, any service that I receive at zero cost, is very very very much appreciated, so PAS gets the thumbs up from me, even if there is the odd error out there.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by oldartefact » Fri May 18, 2018 6:36 pm

I now see what you mean... :) :) :) :) mistakes happen :) :) :) :)
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Fri May 18, 2018 6:38 pm

To me. Errors should have priority.


As one little mistake then gets copied and pasted into many records.

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Fri May 18, 2018 6:41 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:36 pm
I now see what you mean... :) :) mistakes happen :) :)
Exactly ::g B-) ::g :D rl;

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by oldartefact » Fri May 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Koala wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:38 pm
To me. Errors should have priority.


As one little mistake then gets copied and pasted into many records.
I agree, but if the service is under financial pressure, who pays?
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Fri May 18, 2018 6:52 pm

oldartefact wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:42 pm
Koala wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:38 pm
To me. Errors should have priority.


As one little mistake then gets copied and pasted into many records.
I agree, but if the service is under financial pressure, who pays?
Ah the old catch 22

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by jcmaloney » Fri May 18, 2018 7:53 pm

If you use the "report" button it goes to an NFA (National Finds Advisor) I think there are 4 or 5 of them............ and 1.4 million records...as well as their "day jobs"..... like I said FLO is a better route as they can amend directly or email the orginator of the record.. ::g

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by oldartefact » Fri May 18, 2018 8:04 pm

jcmaloney wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:53 pm
If you use the "report" button it goes to an NFA (National Finds Advisor) I think there are 4 or 5 of them............ and 1.4 million records...as well as their "day jobs"..... like I said FLO is a better route as they can amend directly or email the orginator of the record.. ::g
But do we pay our FLO's enough to make the effort? 1% pay rise x 10 years tells me "No" .. whereas for us Bankers its "happy days" all the way to a very early retirement... its great if you can get it :) :) :), and if one mucks up the economy along the way, its just another casualty of the "corporate bonus" freebie system... hey ho.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Ten pence! » Fri May 18, 2018 10:36 pm

On a slightly different note I have about thirty items that do not come up on the database! I've had the bits back for almost a year now with all the relevant paperwork,when I type the unique reference numbers into the database all I get is item not found!

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Post by f8met » Fri May 18, 2018 10:43 pm

Ten pence! wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 10:36 pm
On a slightly different note I have about thirty items that do not come up on the database! I've had the bits back for almost a year now with all the relevant paperwork,when I type the unique reference numbers into the database all I get is item not found!
They have to be published by the FLO. Depends on the individual and if they want them to be checked before publishing. I have quite a few not published and the FLO in question has moved on so I need to speak to the new one about it.

I have a lot I have recorded that need to be checked by the FLO before publishing but I need the photo course before I can get pictures sorted.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Rhumours » Mon May 21, 2018 9:29 am

I had no idea there was a PAS database before getting involved with this site. I guess why would I. However you work with what you have and I tend to have rusty stuff beyond ID and nails and horse shoes. Nails are fairly easy to date from their first use .... their last use doesn't seem to have an end date. Horseshoes are better for this and so you'd think dating would be easier. A dedicated site that logs early examples through to modern in some cases and ox shoes too. So I started to research mine and used the PAS database as reference also.

I can't remember the exact result numbers but this was my experience

PAS search Horse Shoes = 9 results
PAS search Horsehoes = 14 results
Google search horseshoes metal detecting = millions of which many of the first pages of results were all PAS results and none I'd seen by searching the actual database but were much higher count.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Easylife » Mon May 21, 2018 10:33 am

Rhumours wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 9:29 am
So I started to research mine and used the PAS database as reference also.
I can't remember the exact result numbers but this was my experience
PAS search Horse Shoes = 9 results
PAS search Horsehoes = 14 results
Google search horseshoes metal detecting = millions of which many of the first pages of results were all PAS results and none I'd seen by searching the actual database but were much higher count.
To show only relevant results on PAS you need to use filtering such as selecting object type. Eg "Horseshoe" which currently gives 211 results which should be every horseshoe recorded on the database if recorded correctly.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Rhumours » Mon May 21, 2018 12:32 pm

Easylife wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 10:33 am
Rhumours wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 9:29 am
So I started to research mine and used the PAS database as reference also.
I can't remember the exact result numbers but this was my experience
PAS search Horse Shoes = 9 results
PAS search Horsehoes = 14 results
Google search horseshoes metal detecting = millions of which many of the first pages of results were all PAS results and none I'd seen by searching the actual database but were much higher count.
To show only relevant results on PAS you need to use filtering such as selecting object type. Eg "Horseshoe" which currently gives 211 results which should be every horseshoe recorded on the database if recorded correctly.
https://finds.org.uk/database/search/results/q/Horshoe

Which isn't spelled correctly obviously but when I did it a few weeks back the numbers of results by doing the search from the database was less than 20 in each case. Now it's increased significantly when I do it. Just my experience at that time of searching.
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Post by Fusion » Mon May 21, 2018 12:52 pm

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Post by Koala » Mon May 21, 2018 1:10 pm

First i would filter by material as i dont want anything that isnt iron. I would click the only with images option at the beging as i am not intrested in records without images and then filter by type you would have to look through 180

https://finds.org.uk/database/search/re ... /HORSESHOE

However the search is very exact on the database. Google is more forgiving.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site: ... 07&bih=872

Plus i find the images nicer to view the thumbnails on the database are very hard to see any details.

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Mon May 21, 2018 1:20 pm

You do sometimes hit problems with material.

I understand its hard to be exact

But lead objects maybe recorded under lead alloy and some times the other way around.

If i am searching for say a lead token i am not interested in copper, brass or bronze one

I would run the search with material as lead
Then run the search again with material as lead alloy.

Works for me.

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Easylife » Mon May 21, 2018 1:45 pm

Is this really Casting waste? A pic of the flat side would have helped.
These tear-drop shaped lead alloy objects are variously described on PAS as either Roman vessel escutcheon fillings, weights or palm guards.
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Mon May 21, 2018 2:01 pm

Easylife wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 1:45 pm
Is this really Casting waste? A pic of the flat side would have helped.
These tear-drop shaped lead alloy objects are variously described on PAS as either Roman vessel escutcheon fillings, weights or palm guards.
Object type certainty: Certain

Possibly a piece of lead casting waste, dating from the Medieval to Post Medieval period.


Sounds more like a uncertainty

Unknowns should be recorded as unknowns because eventually it's copied as pasted so many time it becomes fact.

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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by thefiggis » Mon May 21, 2018 2:11 pm

Koala wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 1:10 pm
First i would filter by material as i dont want anything that isnt iron. I would click the only with images option at the beging as i am not intrested in records without images and then filter by type you would have to look through 180

https://finds.org.uk/database/search/re ... /HORSESHOE

However the search is very exact on the database. Google is more forgiving.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site: ... 07&bih=872

Plus i find the images nicer to view the thumbnails on the database are very hard to see any details.
There's invariably a zoom feature on each pic on PAS which will give a larger image than Google images can provide. ::g
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Re: Errors on the PAS database

Post by Koala » Mon May 21, 2018 2:24 pm

thefiggis wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 2:11 pm
Koala wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 1:10 pm
First i would filter by material as i dont want anything that isnt iron. I would click the only with images option at the beging as i am not intrested in records without images and then filter by type you would have to look through 180

https://finds.org.uk/database/search/re ... /HORSESHOE

However the search is very exact on the database. Google is more forgiving.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site: ... 07&bih=872

Plus i find the images nicer to view the thumbnails on the database are very hard to see any details.
There's invariably a zoom feature on each pic on PAS which will give a larger image than Google images can provide. ::g
I was talking about the thumbnails within a search not the image within a record.

Yes there is a better image within each record but for a spindle whorl for example. It might require opening 1000 records before you find a match.

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