Calling All Spoon Experts!

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Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by detectorman5050 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:00 am

I am keen to try and get a date on this spoon, as it came from a new field I've not detected before. It could give me an indication of the age of other potential finds.

WHERE DID I FIND IT?
In a pasture field.

WHAT IS IT MADE OF?
It came across very much as a 'low conductor' with a target ID below even lead. Could it be tin or pewter?

FURTHER DESCRIPTION OF ITEM
140mm in length. Appears to have something stamped/engraved on back of handle - but very small, and can't make it out.

DEPTH OF FIND
It was about 8-10 inches down.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by knotalot » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:58 am

Fiddle pattern spoon would more than likely have been plated
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilver.html ::g

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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by sweepstick47 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:39 am

It appears to be a brass based example which has lost it's EPNS finish. Early 20th C and the markings are spurious designed to mislead buyers into believing it is silver due to the fake 'assay mark'.

The process of Electro-Plating was developed in Europe (Germany) as early as the 1830's/1840's. My guess would be your spoon is about 100 yrs later. All the best ::g ss47
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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by fred » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:08 am

sweepstick47 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:39 am
It appears to be a brass based example which has lost it's EPNS finish. Early 20th C and the markings are spurious designed to mislead buyers into believing it is silver due to the fake 'assay mark'.

The process of Electro-Plating was developed in Europe (Germany) as early as the 1830's/1840's. My guess would be your spoon is about 100 yrs later. All the best ::g ss47
The metal is probably corroded nickel silver, an alloy of copper, nickel and zinc. Old cutlery can often be found stamped with marks like 'German', Nevada' or Potasi' silver even though it has nothing to do with real silver. Only when it was was electro plated with silver did it become EPNS.

It probably dates to the 1920s or 30s and looks like Daniel and Arter of Birmingham but you might be able to confirm this if you clean up the mark a bit. ::g
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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by detectorman5050 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:54 pm

fred wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:08 am
sweepstick47 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:39 am
It appears to be a brass based example which has lost it's EPNS finish. Early 20th C and the markings are spurious designed to mislead buyers into believing it is silver due to the fake 'assay mark'.

The process of Electro-Plating was developed in Europe (Germany) as early as the 1830's/1840's. My guess would be your spoon is about 100 yrs later. All the best ::g ss47
The metal is probably corroded nickel silver, an alloy of copper, nickel and zinc. Old cutlery can often be found stamped with marks like 'German', Nevada' or Potasi' silver even though it has nothing to do with real silver. Only when it was was electro plated with silver did it become EPNS.

It probably dates to the 1920s or 30s and looks like Daniel and Arter of Birmingham but you might be able to confirm this if you clean up the mark a bit. ::g
It certainly resembles one of those Daniel and Arter spoons. I tried scrubbing where the 'hallmark' is, but it's still very vague. Will try again later.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by targets » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:00 pm

the ''halmarks are bogus and meant to appear like silver marks but the symbols have no meaning
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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by williamm8629 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:50 am

Hello.
This spoon's shape reminds me of a spoon that my grandmother used for
basting fried eggs with fat, one third of it had worn away from continually
being scraped along the bottom of the frying pan.

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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by littleboot » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:02 am

Its amazing how we remember some very ordinary household items with affection....I still have an old knife which is very worn because it was used to scrape the moss and weeds from between the old blue bricks that made the path. It was a job often given to me when I was quite small. I also have my grans old Oxo basting spoon. It had a long handle and a narrow bowl to help with the task.

I often wonder how some of the 'ordinary' finds like the one posted held a similarly poignant and sentimental place in the lives of people long gone.
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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by sweepstick47 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:31 pm

williamm8629 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:50 am
Hello.
This spoon's shape reminds me of a spoon that my grandmother used for
basting fried eggs with fat, one third of it had worn away from continually
being scraped along the bottom of the frying pan.


I hope you continue the practice of basting the yolk on fried eggs, I always ask for my eggs to be basted but even 'top chefs' can't seem to do it! So, that's a good ID - Egg Basting Spoon 8-| :D
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Re: Calling All Spoon Experts!

Post by Mancave-man » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:50 am

I like my spoons to have ice cream on them. Yum yum. :d!

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