ID Challenge No 6 (10-13/10/18)

Post by **thefiggis** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:46 pm

This is an occasional series of threads designed to get an ID on an item, but with a difference. Here, you will have the opportunity to offer your opinion but you won't be influenced by other views as you won't be able to see them. The thread will be locked and you will have three days to submit your ID by using the ID Challenge form (link below). At the end of the allotted time the responses will be collated and put into a now re-opened thread for discussion.

The reason for the challenge format is to give everybody a chance to do their own research and come up with an idea without outside influence, the need to get in first, or indeed feeling that there's no need to offer an ID because someone else has already done it. Everyone is on an equal footing.

While we do of course learn from other people (and long may that continue) and the ID section will continue to run as normal,there's nothing like your own research to give a better, fuller understanding and this series should help us all with that.

So, we hope you'll enjoy the ID Challenge and that you get a lot out of it. You have three days to submit your ideas so no rush; take your time and if you change your mind then just submit another form.
==================== Start Wednesday 10-10-18
Thread opens for discussion: after 5.00pm on Saturday 13-10-18

PLEASE NOTE that this coin has not been formally identified so there's no point in asking what the "answer" is at the end. The "answer" is whatever the concensus is and if you don't agree, then say so and discuss it

Allectus · Post by **Allectus** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:39 pm

A rare, class 5b1 Henry III long cross penny, moneyer Nicole - London.

hd1958 · Post by **hd1958** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:01 am

henry 111 voided longcross

haveyoufound1yet · Post by **haveyoufound1yet** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:20 am

Henry III VLC Class Vb (position of central fleur between E & N (in henricvs )The wedged ''R'' instead of the pellet foot. Moneyer NICOLE Mint London Reverse reads NIC/OLE/ONL/VND

Saki · Post by **Saki** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:17 am

Henry III, 1216-1272 AD. Silver penny

Post by **Oxgirl36** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:31 am

Not going cheat but this UKFD masterclass on Henry III coinage can be found here: https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/Long-Cros ... %20classes

I learnt loads!

Stillburning · Post by **Stillburning** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:37 am

My best guess is voided long cross penny, Henry III, class 2a, Nichole, London

redwulf500 · Post by **redwulf500** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:46 am

henry 111 Nicole London mint

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:03 am

Henry 5th penny ?????

Sunray · Post by **Sunray** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:03 pm

Henry III Long Cross Penny

Obverse:
HENRICUS REX III Thin oval face with beard of 4 r and 4 l pellets around larger one, Sceptre in right hand.

Reverse:
NICOLE ON LVND. Voided long cross with three pellets in each angle.

London Mint - Moneyer Nicole[/quote]

Please add to my original ID the following

Class 6 (c1272 - c1275)

I just learned how to determine Class of the Long Cross coins

Thanks

SuperRed · Post by **SuperRed** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:14 pm

Henry III voided long cross penny. A stab at class 5b London mint?

djm666 · Post by **djm666** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:50 pm

Henry III class 5 penny
London mint, monier Nicole

Sir Upanotch · Post by **Sir Upanotch** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:18 am

Henry III penny

Buriedbytime&dust · Post by **Buriedbytime&dust** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:03 pm

Henry III voided long cross penny. Moneyer Nicole, London mint.

I'm going to say class 5b1

DAVYBFAST · Post by **DAVYBFAST** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:07 pm

henry 111 voided long cross London , nicole

Ladybird66 · Post by **Ladybird66** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:11 pm

Henry 111 voided long cross penny. Moneyed Nicole, London mint.

Stanley · Post by **Stanley** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:33 am

Henry III penny.
Newcastle mint
Moneyer Nicole

fred · Post by **fred** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:43 pm

Just a guess as I've never got one right yet!

Henry III voided longcross hammered silver penny. Nicole on London Class 5b1.

Saki · Post by **Saki** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Silver Henry iii penny. Moneyed Nicholas. Mint Canterbury
Edit:
Moneyer. ..Nicole[/quote]

oldartefact · Post by **oldartefact** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:40 pm

I would say Henry III penny.

TheMellowedMole · Post by **TheMellowedMole** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:46 pm

I`ll have a guess at Henry 111 class 5,the mint and moneyer is a really hard one.
All this is a totally new game to me im only detecting a few months or so it would be nice to have at least a correct partial id at this stage.
Now back to researching for the mint and moneyer for me.]

Post by **thefiggis** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:37 pm

By gor, that was impressive

Not only the monarch but mint and moneyer and even class mentioned by many.

Excellent work, everybody, and hope you enjoyed the research.

Pip pip till the next one

Stillburning · Post by **Stillburning** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:05 pm

Well done everyone who got the class, I can where I went wrong now

oldartefact · Post by **oldartefact** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:35 pm

thefiggis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:37 pm
By gor, that was impressive Not only the monarch but mint and moneyer and even class mentioned by many.

Excellent work, everybody, and hope you enjoyed the research.

Pip pip till the next one

Luckily I got the monarch right ... but only by virtue of the fact that the Henry III's that I've seen all have goggle eyes... I would otherwise profess to have zero knowledge.

SuperRed · Post by **SuperRed** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:19 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:31 am
Not going cheat but this UKFD masterclass on Henry III coinage can be found here: https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/Long-Cros ... %20classes

I learnt loads!

Not cheating at all OG... that's called research

Brad

fred · Post by **fred** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:06 pm

Hells Bells, I actually got one right at last!

Ladybird66 · Post by **Ladybird66** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:22 pm

By eck. So did I Fred. Wonders will never cease

Didn’t get the Spinks No. though. I found it somewhere else

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:24 pm

O......I said the 5th...well only 2 out

cheers

TheMellowedMole · Post by **TheMellowedMole** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:31 pm

It seems that im learning something from my short time on this forum.
Well done everyone for there id skills.

Post by **thefiggis** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:39 am

Junior wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:24 pm
O......I said the 5th...well only 2 out cheers

I'm still a duffer at this, but I'm learning that there are clear clues on Henry III coins.

1. It's a voided long cross, which were minted from 1247 till 1279, covering parts of the reigns of Henry III and Edward I.

2. In this particular case you can see his regnal number "III" in the third quarter of the legend after "REX".

There are of course many other indicators to determine the type (sceptre or no sceptre, for example) but the above are a couple of things I look for initially.

As well as OG's excellent link, Henry III Penny Identification is a good, simple site to get pointers from. Perhaps follow the process though using the above coin to see how it works?

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