Do I need a 600 or 800?

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Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Metalmickey2359 » Fri May 17, 2019 8:29 pm

I have a Garrett 400i and have just acquired my first permission but it has mineralised soil. I’ve been led to believe the 400 won’t be that successful on it. Sooo... having read many posts about the Equinox 600 & 800 it seems to be a good machine for mineralised soils. Now, I’ve been looking at both Nox machines and wondering if I need the 800. I do have high tone hearing loss so may not hear the default tones on the 600. As I understand it the 800 has the ability to adjust the pitch. Recommendations / advice would me much appreciated please. TIA.
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Easylife » Fri May 17, 2019 8:40 pm

Give it a go with the 400i first, you might find that it is fine on there.
What is it mineralized with? x;
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Metalmickey2359 » Fri May 17, 2019 8:48 pm

It’s mineralised with iron. Apparently it’s the soil type in the area.
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Ten pence! » Fri May 17, 2019 11:17 pm

Metalmickey2359 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:29 pm
I have a Garrett 400i and have just acquired my first permission but it has mineralised soil. I’ve been led to believe the 400 won’t be that successful on it. Sooo... having read many posts about the Equinox 600 & 800 it seems to be a good machine for mineralised soils. Now, I’ve been looking at both Nox machines and wondering if I need the 800. I do have high tone hearing loss so may not hear the default tones on the 600. As I understand it the 800 has the ability to adjust the pitch. Recommendations / advice would me much appreciated please. TIA.
P.S. I might have a nearly new 400i for sale.
I did a fair bit of reading up before plumping for the 600, you'll probably end up using multi tones anyway so shifting tone breaks etc is neither here nor there, with the saved £200 I bought a set of high quality low latency earbuds. (And still had over a £100 left over!)

Perhaps visit a club or a dealer and have an actual listen if you are intent on buying?

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by littleboot » Fri May 17, 2019 11:23 pm

I don't really see how you can conclude that the 400 can't cope with the soil. Give it a bash. Its a good machine. The Nox s a very good machine of course, but it isn't a magic wand. The reality is that using a machine like the 400 will be good for you. Like learning to drive on a geared car.
Its tempting to assume a different machine will reap rewards...but you don't appear to have even tried the Garrett yet, which seems a shame to me.
Even if you do decide to buy a Nox, it will be very helpful to have some idea of what is on your permissions....busy areas, junk infested, quiet spots etc. When I switched to the Nox from my GMP I went on permissions I already knew thoroughly. It made the switch much easier.

From the perspective of also having some hearing loss ....especially higher tones....I have the 600 and found it to be fine. I find the machine does everything I want that the dearer model does. But we all have different requirements. No-one can really advise you on this as your hearing is obviously personal to you. Best thing would be to go to a dealer and try them out.
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Ladybird66 » Fri May 17, 2019 11:39 pm

Metalmickey2359 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:48 pm
It’s mineralised with iron. Apparently it’s the soil type in the area.
Know why you’re apprehensive. I had a permission a few years ago. Couldn’t understand why I was getting nothing but hundreds of iron signals. Never found so much as a penny. Mentioned it to the land owner who kindly informed me it was an iron ore area which was mined extensively in the past. :)] wish I’d known before I walked my legs off for nothing.

Even so I’d give the 400 a try though. You don’t know till you try it yourself.

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Easylife » Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 am

Are you quite sure that the soil is iron mineralized, or is it just saturated with iron from historic activity? x;
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Metalmickey2359 » Sat May 18, 2019 7:11 am

Easylife wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 am
Are you quite sure that the soil is iron mineralized, or is it just saturated with iron from historic activity? x;
There is no historic evidence of iron workings in the area. I've based my assumption on the soil maps from the British Geological web site for that area. It seems to be sandstone. The earth is very sandy and red. I'll have to find the site again and get the description of the soil as I cant remember what they called it!! rl;
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by littleboot » Sat May 18, 2019 10:12 am

Save yourself the palaver. x;

There is only ONE way of finding out if the land is detectable or if your machine will cope. By doing some detecting.
From what I can see you have NO idea if the land is contaminated with iron or not.
On the face of it most of my land has been contaminated by something or other and it hasn't stopped me being able to detect. In my experience it has to be severe to be a problem. I'd bet next weeks wine budget that there will be people detecting the general area you say is affected, and have been doing for some considerable time, with machines a lot less capable than the 400. 8-|
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Koala » Sat May 18, 2019 12:03 pm

I doubt any ferruginous (iron) soil in the UK will be much problem to the 400i unless tailings (mine dump) are present.

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by SuperRed » Sat May 18, 2019 12:34 pm

I totally agree with some of the comments above. The 400i is an excellent detector and I would definitely try it first (assuming the permission is permanent)... there is no point trying to 'cure' something until you have first-hand experience of what you are trying to solve. One of my permissions has been pasture for centuries, absolutely littered with iron debris and electrical interference everywhere. I have both the 800 and 400i and whilst the 800 is obviously an improvement in may ways and I do dig a lot less iron, I would have no problem using the 400i.

600 or 800? That totally depends upon your own budget. I chose the 800 purely because it was a 'one-off' payment and I liked a number of the additional features. I am pretty sure that everything being equal (land, experience, etc) your find rate wouldn't be much different.

In short: try your new permission with the 400i first.

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Dave The Slave » Sat May 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Have used the 400i since Sept 2016, so probably one of the 1st to use, the only place I have found it unusable is on the wet beach sand.
Inland normally use on Custom Mode, 2 bars off Max sensitivity, iron Audio off, Discrim below 60, these settings also work perfectly on dry sand. If they are there you Will find , Brass, Bronze, Copper, Lead, modern and old coins, Pewter, Silver and no doubt Gold, although I am yet to find any of that.
If you are detecting on wet grass, may need 3 bars off Max sensitivity.
After reading other Posts on here, have already decided to detect an area on those settings, then go back over without discrimination on all metal, just to see if anything worthwhile is getting missed. Reason for my settings, over an hour to drive to permission with a max 4hrs detecting, so don`t want to waste too much time digging nails etc. You will still dig large Agricultural iron.
Give the 400i a try 1st and see how you get on.
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by garrettoldboy » Sat May 18, 2019 6:12 pm

hello, i had a euro ace and it coped well on all types of soil/ dry sand/ but not wet salty sand, try it you might be surprised how good it is, having read the specs of the 600/800 and used a safari for years i would buy a 600 if i were detecting more than i do now,

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Metalmickey2359 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:04 pm

Thank you everyone for your comments. I haven’t used the 400i much and don’t have a local permission yet to try it out in ‘anger’! I have been searching permissions today and have one that looks promising. Hundreds of acres, but I’m not going to count my chickens yet!!!
I have tried out the Nox 800 today and it’s an awesome machine. Thank you Fred. I had so much fun and my right arm is sore from all the swinging. I enjoyed the multi tones of it and was amazed at the signal I had from tiny, deep targets. I need to get familiar with my Garrett 400i. Thanks again for all your advice. l;.
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Bors » Sat May 18, 2019 8:07 pm

Metalmickey2359 wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 8:04 pm
Thank you everyone for your comments. I haven’t used the 400i much and don’t have a local permission yet to try it out in ‘anger’! I have been searching permissions today and have one that looks promising. Hundreds of acres, but I’m not going to count my chickens yet!!!
I have tried out the Nox 800 today and it’s an awesome machine. Thank you Fred. I had so much fun and my right arm is sore from all the swinging. I enjoyed the multi tones of it and was amazed at the signal I had from tiny, deep targets. I need to get familiar with my Garrett 400i. Thanks again for all your advice. l;.
Uh oh ! gotta feeling the 400`s TOAST =))

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Metalmickey2359 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:40 pm

Bors wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 8:07 pm
Metalmickey2359 wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 8:04 pm
Thank you everyone for your comments. I haven’t used the 400i much and don’t have a local permission yet to try it out in ‘anger’! I have been searching permissions today and have one that looks promising. Hundreds of acres, but I’m not going to count my chickens yet!!!
I have tried out the Nox 800 today and it’s an awesome machine. Thank you Fred. I had so much fun and my right arm is sore from all the swinging. I enjoyed the multi tones of it and was amazed at the signal I had from tiny, deep targets. I need to get familiar with my Garrett 400i. Thanks again for all your advice. l;.
Uh oh ! gotta feeling the 400`s TOAST =))
Do you have a crystal ball? ::g I’m certainly tempted but, to be fair, need to give the 400i a chance on something other than a recently built up garden.
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by Bors » Sun May 19, 2019 7:29 am

Metalmickey2359 wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 8:40 pm
Bors wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 8:07 pm
Metalmickey2359 wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 8:04 pm
Thank you everyone for your comments. I haven’t used the 400i much and don’t have a local permission yet to try it out in ‘anger’! I have been searching permissions today and have one that looks promising. Hundreds of acres, but I’m not going to count my chickens yet!!!
I have tried out the Nox 800 today and it’s an awesome machine. Thank you Fred. I had so much fun and my right arm is sore from all the swinging. I enjoyed the multi tones of it and was amazed at the signal I had from tiny, deep targets. I need to get familiar with my Garrett 400i. Thanks again for all your advice. l;.
Uh oh ! gotta feeling the 400`s TOAST =))
Do you have a crystal ball? ::g I’m certainly tempted but, to be fair, need to give the 400i a chance on something other than a recently built up garden.
It`s too late ! the seed of the Nox has been planted within your desire department in your mind.
and has already been watered. Freds spell has been cast & there`s no escape. Prepare the check. =))

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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by WeatherWitch » Sun May 19, 2019 11:05 am

Bors wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 7:29 am

It`s too late ! the seed of the Nox has been planted within your desire department in your mind.
and has already been watered. Freds spell has been cast & there`s no escape. Prepare the check. =))
I just spat my tea out reading this =)) =)) =))
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by littleboot » Sun May 19, 2019 2:10 pm

I hope Fred is on Minelab's Christmas list. (I suspect he is. :D )
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Re: Do I need a 600 or 800?

Post by fred » Sun May 19, 2019 2:58 pm

littleboot wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 2:10 pm
I hope Fred is on Minelab's Christmas list. (I suspect he is. :D )

So do I! :D Or perhaps a nice shiny new Nox 1000! ::g

In fairness the morning out was great fun for both of us. It also gave me the opportunity to check my current programme with the beginners one.
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