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Guess the date...

Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:49 pm

For a bit of fun what date do you think this is?

Found in a field with a deserted medieval village, in north oxfordshire, abandoned mid 17th century. I was stumped but I’ve had an ID from some experts.


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Post by Bargeman » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:57 pm

1709

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Post by Dave The Slave » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:00 pm

Egyptian 1000BC. ?
Is that an Alabaster, decorative surface ?
Total guess but going for something different.
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Post by Ladybird66 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:09 pm

The pattern suggests the bulb frenzy period. Probably made from local sandy clay. So synonymous with your other finds, late 1600’s to mid 1700’s.

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Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:12 pm

Interesting you are adding in where it was made on a few guesses. You get extra points if you can suggest where it was manufactured :D
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Post by Lowland » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:54 pm

Made In a pottery,circa 1695 on a Tuesday by master potter Benjamin affleck. ::g
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Post by Ladybird66 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:02 pm

The easy answer to that Cath might be Holland but I guess that would just be too easy :D

Oxfordshire isn’t famed for potters so, don’t know who. I’ll have to do a bit of reading ::g

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Post by Phil2401 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:22 pm

Is there a prize for the worst guess?.... Leeds, circa 1800.

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Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:26 pm

Ladybird66 wrote:
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The easy answer to that Cath might be Holland but I guess that would just be too easy :D

Oxfordshire isn’t famed for potters so, don’t know who. I’ll have to do a bit of reading ::g
There are lots of potters in Oxfordshire but there’s a clue for you - it has travelled a bit :-*
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Post by shaggybfc » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:39 pm

Pre- 18th century Chinese pottery, imported into Britain by Wan Hung Loe 🤣
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Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:31 pm

Lol it’s German 16th century, possibly in the first few years of the 17th but generally 1550-1600. It’s stoneware like this one https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/523549

Amazing how a piece of pottery that’s nearly 500 years old has survived tractors, animals, ploughing and whatever else :D
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Post by Incognito » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:40 pm

It's that sigliatus stuff that Figgis can't find, except they ran out of red colour coz they've gone all soft in some field somewhere with a barrel and aren't in a clay pit like they should be ::g

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Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:43 pm

Incognito wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:40 pm
It's that sigliatus stuff that Figgis can't find, except they ran out of red colour coz they've gone all soft in some field somewhere with a barrel and aren't in a clay pit like they should be ::g
Let’s pretend to wind him up =))
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Post by Incognito » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:50 pm

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:43 pm
Incognito wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:40 pm
It's that sigliatus stuff that Figgis can't find, except they ran out of red colour coz they've gone all soft in some field somewhere with a barrel and aren't in a clay pit like they should be ::g
Let’s pretend to wind him up =))
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Post by Ladybird66 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:53 pm

Oh gawd. I’ve been half way round the world twice. I had it at the back of my mind that Wedgewood pottered with stoneware, and he did, in the mid 1700’s but I couldn’t find any examples.

I reckon them Germans copied him :D

Lovely piece of, once expensive, pottery. Well found Cath.

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Post by Oxgirl36 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:01 pm

Ladybird66 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:53 pm
Oh gawd. I’ve been half way round the world twice. I had it at the back of my mind that Wedgewood pottered with stoneware, and he did, in the mid 1700’s but I couldn’t find any examples.

I reckon them Germans copied him :D

Lovely piece of, once expensive, pottery. Well found Cath.
I thought it looked later too but as there is little on here post the village being abandoned It had to be no later than 17th century really. I wasn’t expecting it to be 16th century and yes it would have been a valuable item. Bet someone cried when that got broken x;
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Post by Incognito » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:06 pm

Britain was a couple hundred years after the Germans to become the stoneware center of Europe in 18th and 19th, and the Germans were around a millenia behind Figgis' Roman terra sigillata which was just about stoneware, and the Romans and Greeks were a couple of millenia behind Indus valley stoneware and other Asian kinds, as far as I make out. Here are some German ones

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Post by thefiggis » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:22 am

Incognito wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:50 pm
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:43 pm
Incognito wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:40 pm
It's that sigliatus stuff that Figgis can't find, except they ran out of red colour coz they've gone all soft in some field somewhere with a barrel and aren't in a clay pit like they should be ::g
Let’s pretend to wind him up =))
Wouldn't be fair on Jenks 8-|
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Post by Incognito » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:30 pm

I'm sure you'll find some sigliatus one of these days Figgis , but I weren't mocking Jenks

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Post by amphora » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:58 pm

may 21 1839 ??
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