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The EuroAce has 5 Iron discrimination segments rather than the US 4, but really, I don't believe that it makes the Euro that dramatically different at all from the US version
You underestimate how much difference this could make to the machine being able to process and ID our coinage (especialy hammered) against American coinage......
Remember we can find coins that have been in the ground for 2000 years plus....The USA detectorists are lucky for anything over 300 years....
Thas an awfull lot of difference for a machine to compensate for...
As you say though things will become clear as people buy them and use them over here...
It wont be long before we know one way or the other....
A part of me wants to agree with you on the marketing ploy aspect, but i will keep an open mind....
baoluo wrote:The ACE 350 and the Euro 350 are the same. The ACE is not calibrated to "Europe", how could it? You would have to calibrate it to each country or region. Not possible and Garrett knows it. The Euro ACe has a generic faceplate, that's it. The info coming out that the Ace 350 is somehow calibrated to Europe or England is just hearsay and has no credibility. I got my Ace350 from the US for US dollars and I just ignore the US coinage.
agree 100 percent with this fact. for all you know the euroace may be set for a field outside heathrow airport/or stuttgart /calais whatever .NO two fields are alike
and the smart money tells me that garretts designers would be like "ok lets set the euroaces ground conditions based on the country in europe where we have sold the most machines previously" makes sense right?
I think that until we get some sort of official comment from a genuine Garrett Engineer about what they have done / changed for the UK soil conditions etc., this debate will not be solved!
Nigel is saying he has worked with Garrett to get the machine sorted for us but me being a skeptic, he might just be saying that so he can sell hundreds of machines.
Please accept my apologies if I am wrong but I have seen this with other electrical products coming to the UK from the US.
It would be difficult to make it a UK / Europe only machine but the Garrett Engineer needs to say in technical terms to us exactly what they have tweaked / changed. A slightly different frequency and coil doesn't really cry out Yay to me. Yes, one extra segment of Iron Discrim is nice to have but car manufacturers just move the steering wheel across to the other side and make the lights dip the other way.
Not an improvement, just different!
We need proper tests, users reports and Garretts Official (what they've done) bit so at least we then know etc.
baoluo wrote:The ACE 350 and the Euro 350 are the same. The ACE is not calibrated to "Europe", how could it? You would have to calibrate it to each country or region. Not possible and Garrett knows it. The Euro ACe has a generic faceplate, that's it. The info coming out that the Ace 350 is somehow calibrated to Europe or England is just hearsay and has no credibility. I got my Ace350 from the US for US dollars and I just ignore the US coinage.
agree 100 percent with this fact. for all you know the euroace may be set for a field outside heathrow airport/or stuttgart /calais whatever .NO two fields are alike
and the smart money tells me that garretts designers would be like "ok lets set the euroaces ground conditions based on the country in europe where we have sold the most machines previously" makes sense right?
I think this "calibration" is probably the extra iron segment and if that's the case, it's not particularly significant from the US model.
Blackadder43 wrote:Baolou
You seem a bit angry with the machine?
The EuroAce has 5 Iron discrimination segments rather than the US 4, but really, I don't believe that it makes the Euro that dramatically different at all from the US version
You underestimate how much difference this could make to the machine being able to process and ID our coinage (especialy hammered) against American coinage......
Heck no, I'm not angry at all. I like my ACE 350. I didn't expect any big changes, just a few tweaks here and there, and got them - on a budget. It's a budget machine. The BIG tweaks are on the AT PRO. My concern is that owners of 250s are going to go out and buy the ACE 350 thinking that there dramatic changes. People would be wasting their money if that were the case.
My concern is that owners of 250s are going to go out and buy the ACE 350 thinking that there dramatic changes. People would be wasting their money if that were the case.
simonnett wrote:I think that until we get some sort of official comment from a genuine Garrett Engineer about what they have done / changed for the UK soil conditions etc., this debate will not be solved!
Not an improvement, just different!
We need proper tests, users reports and Garretts Official (what they've done) bit so at least we then know etc.
Right, so my question is how come they didn't come out with all this information? Seems to me that they have been VERY quiet about the ACE 350's adjustments and little technical information except that which you expect coming from their marketing arm.
Again, I'm happy with ACE 350 because I don't have a 250 and didn't fall into buying one if I had a 250. I know that what I have is a slightly tweaked 250, and that's fine.
Is it just me or is this thread getting a bit off the rails?
Has anyone actually tried one ofthe machine mentioned?
Can anyone get a comment in without mentioning the *** 250/350 or even the company *******s?!
I reserve judgement on the new machine, the presets and mineralisation could well be an issue (read the comments of Blackadder and Old Jeffers - they know what they're talking about - no sarcasm intended). Has anyone actually had a bad experience of one of the machines or nearly did? (in which case they didn't?)
Remember, hate leads to the dark side... according to the jolly little green, big eared thing.
simonnett wrote:I think that until we get some sort of official comment from a genuine Garrett Engineer about what they have done / changed for the UK soil conditions etc., this debate will not be solved!
Nigel is saying he has worked with Garrett to get the machine sorted for us but me being a skeptic, he might just be saying that so he can sell hundreds of machines.
Baolou
How often have you used your 350 so far?
Have you tryed looking for a detecting partner with the 250 to give the machines a proper field test?
You have made your point quite clearly about your thoughts.....
I personaly would like to see genuine test results now to back these up.....
Looking forward to reading this thread...
Old Jeffers wrote:Of course if you don't like Garret machines or don't trust either the company or their agents you could buy a C-Scope!
I've just eMailed Garret in Texas for any information that can shed some light on this confusion.
Old Jeffers wrote:No. They clearly received the eMail but failed to acknowledge it.
However this does seem to be a bit of a 'storm in a teacup.'
You can't actually buy an Ace 350 from an official Garrett stockist in the UK.
Differences between the EuroAce and the Ace 250 are outlined on Garrett's website:
• Powerful, large 28 x 22 cm PROformance
Double-D searchcoil
• Higher Frequency*—Offers improved ability to detect small, conductive targets (hammered coins, nuggets).
• Volume-control headphones— Garrett’s ClearSound Easy Stow headphones are included with the EuroACE.
• Enhanced Iron Resolution™—allows more precise control over how much iron
discrimination to apply. Use to separate good treasure targets from adjacent iron trash.
EuroACE Key Features:
For more information on the new EuroACE, visit http://www.garrett.com/euroace/
• Improved Audio*—Tone ID otpimized to indicate distinctions between ferrous and non-ferrous targets.
* Compared to ACE 250/150.
Also the EuroAce is not a re-badged Ace 350.
Further, I would think that he pinpointing has to be better on the EuroAce, with the new coil, as the Ace 250 was problematic in that area.
Whether the differences warrant the price hike is a moot point but I haven't heard too many complaints about this machine. But they must know they're getting cose to C3MX territory pricewise! Although I notice that many of the Garrett dealers have already dropped the price to £239 ! I see in the available accessories a box cover that makes the control box look BLACK!! B-)
well although i now have one i havent used it yet although i did give it a quick try today in our back but then ive never used any other so coudnt compare it if i wanted to, the cover for the box is actually free atm with the euro and so is a backpak . the £239 price was supposed to be an introductry offer acording to most retailers and was going to its selling price of £279 which i suppose is about the price if you add in the free accesories
by the way i also have emailed garrett to find out if a coil cover for this model will be available soon and also havent recived a reply, customer services dont seem to be up to much do they
